Donald Trump Talks: Gun Control, Assault Weapons, Gun Free Zones & Self Defense

[Norm0931]

Trump is a fraud, but I would vote for him over Hillary, obviously.. And, Sanders, whatever he use to say about being against gun control, now says he supports it, as that would be the only way he could possibly get support for the Democratic nomination.

For all the glorious things we think about Trump, did anyone remember recently when he insulted our POWs saying they were not heroes or heroic? He said he likes soldiers who don't get captured. I guess all those WWII vets who defended our land and ended up in German or Japanese prison camps are all bunch of cowards to Mr. Trump. While he was fooling around with party girls and splurging the nightlife in New York City back in the 70s, those POWs were being tortured and many dying in Vietnam. Many of these men were drafted into the military and just wanted to do their duty to their country.

Anyone who can insult our veterans like he did is not worthy of my respect.

F---- Donald Trump.. He is a spoiled, rotten, slimy rich brat and any guy with loads of cash who wants to run his mouth will get the respect of people for a while.

Yeah, I am glad he will boot out the illegals, but why should we have to depend on a fraudulent slickster like Trump to do the job other Republicans should be doing? And, who knows how tough he will be when he is sitting in the Oval Office. Business people know how to sell themselves, but many also know how to deceive people, as that is part of advertising. He is a great marketer, but does he deliver the goods? I say he is overpriced, just like his sh***y casinos.

If Trump wins he will become the CEO of America, not the President, in my eyes. Just a business man out to satisfy his own pockets and ego. T hen again, that is the way politics has been becoming in this day and age.

As a Vet I disagree about the John McCain POW comments. He said John McCain is only a hero because he was a PoW. If you look at McCain's service record, he was not exactly a stellar sailor, but his dad and grandfather were both Admirals. In addition John McCain has been several times accused by other Vietnam POWs as a collaborator, which they claim was all swept under the rug because of his families status in the Navy. Either way, Trump was pointing out that McCain has not done bubblegum to improve the lives of Veterans or fix the VA.

 

[U201494]

Trump has nads of steel, say what you will about him but he does what he says he does.
Kasich is dumber than a box 'o rocks compared to the Donald and Carly has bigger nads.

 

[Hybrid Slave]

Could be one reason trump is leading in the "Polls" is that most polls are either run by, or commissioned by, the major media and he's been good for ratings...it's to the point where it's Trump talk 24/7 and the GOP's other contenders have become almost invisible as a result. He's the only name most of the low-info voters they poll have even heard of. Right now media = oxygen and Trump is getting most of it.
It's almost like if Trump sneezes you get a media-wide feeding frenzy, but if say, Cruz or Walker robbed a bank and shot it out with the cops there would be a 20 second blurb between the Brazilian soccer scores and a discussion of the California drought.

One thing I am enjoying with Trump ..he's got the old guard so spun around they don't know whether to sh'it or wind their watches.

I feel that much of the same is why Bernie Sanders is doing so well. The Media has been trying hard to find something, anything to cover on the Dem side while pretty much feeling they must ignore Hillary lest they be forced to cover the e-mail debacle.

Ya gotta love Silly Season

It's all part of the show folks. Just sit back and keep watching your televisions and we'll take care of everything. Keep on sleepin'. Keep on consuming, you vessels (of commerce).

 

[U201491]

As a Vet I disagree about the John McCain POW comments. He said John McCain is only a hero because he was a PoW. If you look at McCain's service record, he was not exactly a stellar sailor, but his dad and grandfather were both Admirals. In addition John McCain has been several times accused by other Vietnam POWs as a collaborator, which they claim was all swept under the rug because of his families status in the Navy. Either way, Trump was pointing out that McCain has not done bubblegum to improve the lives of Veterans or fix the VA.

A very close resemblance of the Manchurian Candidate.

 

[4Freedom]

As a Vet I disagree about the John McCain POW comments. He said John McCain is only a hero because he was a PoW. If you look at McCain's service record, he was not exactly a stellar sailor, but his dad and grandfather were both Admirals. In addition John McCain has been several times accused by other Vietnam POWs as a collaborator, which they claim was all swept under the rug because of his families status in the Navy. Either way, Trump was pointing out that McCain has not done bubblegum to improve the lives of Veterans or fix the VA.

If he wanted to call McCain a traitor why not just flat out say McCain is no hero because he is a traitor? I also don't know if McCain really collaborated with the Vietnamese or not. However, what I know is that Trump's commnets were directly attacking POWs and not directly attacking McCain. If his goal was to defend the rights and honor of veterans and POWs, he did exactly the opposite with his callous and, almost, belligerent, statements. His comments, "McCain was captured, I like people who we not captured", was essentially pissing on the memory and dignity of every brave soldier in our country who was taken into prisoner camps.

I just have no respect for a man who can say such damning statements about our soldiers, especially for a guy who never was in the military. He essentially was living the good life while others were losing limbs and watching their friends get killed. And, you may accuse McCain of being a collaborator , but if Donald Trump was shot down and had a gun pointed at him, would he have been any more noble in the face of the enemy than McCain? McCain must have resisted collaboration to some degree as there is plenty of evidence he was tortured and beaten pretty badly during his time in the prison camp.

I'm not calling McCain a hero, what I am doing is condemning Trump's insult on our soldiers who were brought into captivity. They don't deserve to be trashed by this idiot, who even refused to apologize for his statements. He could have been an honorable person and said, "Sorry, I chose the wrong words." But, he is too much of an narcissist and egomaniac, which I don't think is a great trait for a leader. We already have an egomaniac in power.

Maybe, people are getting desperate for a good GOP candidate and will just look over things like this. Maybe, I am naive to actually think an honorable person can ever make his/her way into the White House.

 

[MikeE]

Not a McCain supporter but as I understand it, he refused to be released before the rest of his fellow POW's went home- makes him a good man in my book.
I will laugh my a-- off if you guys nominated Trump. For the tiny minority of 'conservatives' who have the remotest interest in truth, read this article (I am not holding my breath):

http://www.nationalmemo.com/21-questions-for-donald-trump/

This is the choice part, IMO :

6. Trump Tower is not a steel girder high rise, but 58 stories of concrete.

Why did you use concrete instead of traditional steel girders?

7. Trump Tower was built by S&A Concrete, whose owners were "Fat" Tony Salerno, head of the Genovese crime family, and Paul "Big Paul" Castellano, head of the Gambinos, another well-known crime family.

If you did not know of their ownership, what does that tell voters about your management skills?

8. You later used S&A Concrete on other Manhattan buildings bearing your name.

Why?

9. In demolishing the Bonwit Teller building to make way for Trump Tower, you had no labor troubles, even though only about 15 unionists worked at the site alongside 150 Polish men, most of whom entered the country illegally, lacked hard hats, and slept on the site.

How did you manage to avoid labor troubles, like picketing and strikes, and job safety inspections while using mostly non-union labor at a union worksite — without hard hats for the Polish workers?

10. A federal judge later found you conspired to cheat both the Polish workers, who were paid less than $5 an hour cash with no benefits, and the union health and welfare fund. You testified that you did not notice the Polish workers, whom the judge noted were easy to spot because they were the only ones on the work site without hard hats.

What should voters make of your failure or inability to notice 150 men demolishing a multi-story building without hard hats?

11. You sent your top lieutenant, lawyer Harvey I. Freeman, to negotiate with Ken Shapiro, the "investment banker" for Nicky Scarfo, the especially vicious killer who was Atlantic City's mob boss, according to federal prosecutors and the New Jersey State Commission on Investigation.

Since you emphasize your negotiating skills, why didn't you negotiate yourself?

 

[Norm0931]

If he wanted to call McCain a traitor why not just flat out say McCain is no hero because he is a traitor? I also don't know if McCain really collaborated with the Vietnamese or not. However, what I know is that Trump's commnets were directly attacking POWs and not directly attacking McCain. If his goal was to defend the rights and honor of veterans and POWs, he did exactly the opposite with his callous and, almost, belligerent, statements. His comments, "McCain was captured, I like people who we not captured", was essentially pissing on the memory and dignity of every brave soldier in our country who was taken into prisoner camps.

I just have no respect for a man who can say such damning statements about our soldiers, especially for a guy who never was in the military. He essentially was living the good life while others were losing limbs and watching their friends get killed. And, you may accuse McCain of being a collaborator , but if Donald Trump was shot down and had a gun pointed at him, would he have been any more noble in the face of the enemy than McCain? McCain must have resisted collaboration to some degree as there is plenty of evidence he was tortured and beaten pretty badly during his time in the prison camp.

I'm not calling McCain a hero, what I am doing is condemning Trump's insult on our soldiers who were brought into captivity. They don't deserve to be trashed by this idiot, who even refused to apologize for his statements. He could have been an honorable person and said, "Sorry, I chose the wrong words." But, he is too much of an narcissist and egomaniac, which I don't think is a great trait for a leader. We already have an egomaniac in power.

Maybe, people are getting desperate for a good GOP candidate and will just look over things like this. Maybe, I am naive to actually think an honorable person can ever make his/her way into the White House.

He didn't insult POWs though. Have you actually read the entire transcript of what he said? I'm guessing you read the edited for flair Washington Post version. I'm not a huge Trump fan either. I think he was put up to this whole thing at the behest of the Clintons. Either they are paying him outright or he is gaining an IOU from them. Either way, I think they set this whole thing with him up. What I will say though is he is forcing several of the other GOP candidates to actually give answers, the goal of which may very well be to hurt them in the general election.

 

[Charliehorse]

I just have no respect for a man who can say such damning statements about our soldiers,

I find it interesting that some rough and tough big bad soldiers/former soldiers are so thin skinned by taking offense at what Trump allegedly meant. He clarified his position about McCain on the spot and numerous times afterward, and has moved on.
In the heat of the moment I understand why he scoffed at McCain because McCain has done zippo for the US since his very difficult time in the service and as a prisoner. He (and Graham) are pathetic Senators (although great at getting re-elected).
Worse yet, McCain HAS been abysmal to his veteran brothers by NOT making fixing the VA pathetic treatment of veterans his priority. No whining McCain, just do it. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Not to mention McCain fired the first shot by insulting those that went to hear Trump - Arizona citizens that McCain supposedly represents!! Calling them 'crazies' because they are ticked off at the invasion they see and are forced to live with everyday - while McCain lives high on the (taxpayer) hog in D.C. - and has done NOTHING to fix the invasion of illegal criminal immigrants.
And how long has he been in the Senate?
How many YEARS has he had to fix the border? How many buildings and golf courses has Trump developed while McCain talks and talks and never gets around to doing anything???

Shame on McCain! :spit:

Either way, Trump was pointing out that McCain has not done bubblegum to improve the lives of Veterans or fix the VA.

^ This.

He didn't insult POWs though. Have you actually read the entire transcript of what he said? I'm guessing you read the edited for flair Washington Post version. .

Exactly. Trump has clarified it and repeatedly brings up praise to our veterans and our wounded warriors - who Obama/McCain/Graham and many others have treated horribly!

So maybe its time for this minority of rough and tough big bad soldiers/former soldiers (that are sniveling about Trump's inaccurately reported comments) to buck up and be men. ISIS/Iran/Russia/Chi-coms are the enemies. And if this small group of thinned skinned soldiers has become this weak over (mistaken) words, they're going to wilt at the real enemies of freedom.

 

[albin25]

I'm just a wee bit curious...is there a time limit on hero-osity?

Does a long political career of being on the wrong side of a lot of major issues speed up the clock?

 

[Charliehorse]

I just a wee bit curious...is there a time limit on hero-osity?

Does a long political career of being on the wrong side of a lot of major issues speed up the clock?

Point well taken.
I strongly disagree with this change from respect and appreciation for "hero's", to hero worship that has occurred over the last few decades.

I have done a lot of volunteer work and fund raising for veteran groups. While they probably did a great job during their time in service, that time is over. Living in the past does not change what they are doing in the present.
Sadly, a number that I know from volunteering, use illegal drugs, drink too much at the Legion and drive over the limit, many have DUI's and/or drunk accidents and/or lost their license, and I have watched some sell illegal drugs in the dark corners. I know some that earn money "under the table" and do not pay their taxes.
Are they still "hero's"? Nope. I believe the word for those individuals is 'criminals' by their actions.

Whether it is veterans or emergency responders, police, fireman... it is NOT "once a hero - always a hero".

They are not "untouchable" because of their former sacrifices and good actions. They are accountable for their actions today - just like you and I are.

 

[4Freedom]

I was never defending McCain, but I was defending our soldiers and POWs. Did I actually read what Trump said? Yes, but not read.. I sat and watched the entire interview and heard the words coming out of his mouth. If he wanted to trash McCain, he could have been more intelligent and done so. However, I don't think he has anymore respect for our veterans than McCain does or he would have not rambled off such insults, whether it was done intentionally or ignorantly (Obama's chief defense for his slurs). I only believe Trump is supporting our "veterans" since it is profitable for him to do so. As far as caring for them or their hardships, his statements make me know that he really doesn't.

John McCain is a liberal and is to the Republican party what Joe Lieberman is to the Democrat party. A turncoat still trying to promote their former party line, but only on the surface. People should just accept that McCain is not a true Republican.

However, I do not trust Donald Trump at all and believe he is fancy salesman, but a fraud underneath. I believe had Obama made a similar slur to our POWs as Trump did, nobody would have excused it.

If I am going to get political here, then I would say my vote will go for Ted Cruz who I believe is a more genuine and honorable candidate for the GOP.

I rather not get too political, but not a fan of Trump's personality and his callous statements.

So Trump wants to throw all the illegals out of the country, but as another poster pointed out, he had no problem utilizing the labor of illegal immigrants and circumventing laws to protect our workers (which is why many use migrant workers) when it came time to work on his own personal developments for his business.

Oh Yeah, Trump is pro-gun now.. Great to know.. Didn't Giulliani also magically become pro-gun when he tried for the 2008 presidential run as well? Funny, how one of the most anti-gun politicians in the country suddenly supported our gun rights..

Oy, Politicians!


Here are a few pics of Trump's 2005 wedding that also are a bit unsettling for me




Trump playing golf and smiling with our most famous gun grabbing politicians.


Trump sure has a strange choice in friends.. Washington insiders?


Donald Trump's daughter also happens to be good friends with Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of Hllary and Bill Clinton.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Biden/Obama 2016

Biden/Warren
They've been having a pow wow about something.

 

[Slobray]

Trump is a liar, a charlatan, a fraud, a phony, a shill for Clinton and nothing more. The only reason he is shouting a hard line pro 2A conservative message is to splinter the Republican vote and ensure that Hitlary wins.


I predict that he will become an independent candidate. He will do it one of two ways;

He doesn't get the Republican nomination and goes independent

or

If it looks like he's going to get the nomination, he will have some huge public row with the Republican Party, most likely spouting off that they aren't conservative enough. He will then quit to take back America on his own and become an independent.


I really hope that I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.


Ray

 

[freestoneangler]

I still don't trust him. He is like a streamer atop a flag pole - he flaps with the political winds. He used to be a gun hating democrat. Now he wants to be President. He sees changing his tune and running as a Republican to be his best chance to stop a Hilary presidency. Yes, people can evolve and come to their senses. I don't think The Donald has done this. I bet he would sign any piece of anti gun crap that hit his desk, and the first tragedy to happen during his reign he'd be like Obama and railing against evil guns. I just don't trust the guy.

Like many I love the in your face... piss on PC... kick the press in the willy attitude. I also like that he is not a Bush or Clinton and that he is not a lawyer nor a womb to tomb politician. But, I too am a bit concerned about his changing positions of some very key subjects. My impression is that he is a moderate-right at best. Honestly, considering where we're coming from, that is near nirvana... but whether he in fact is as pro 2AR as he states I don't really know.

 

[4Freedom]

Like many I love the in your face... piss on PC... kick the press in the willy attitude. I also like that he is not a Bush or Clinton and that he is not a lawyer nor a womb to tomb politician. But, I too am a bit concerned about his changing positions of some very key subjects. My impression is that he is a moderate-right at best. Honestly, considering where we're coming from, that is near nirvana... but whether he in fact is as pro 2AR as he states I don't really know.

Just wait for another school shooting for him to suddenly change his view on dangerous "Assault Weapons" and all the "loonies" he will claim who own them. Wheeling dealing businessmen and lawyers seem to make the best politicians. Both are very good at deceiving people to make a sale or win a case.

Donald Trump is about as loyal to gun owners as he is to our POWs. If it suits him at the moment, he will go from befriending them to trashing them. Trump is a well groomed (the famous combover) crook and will make Nixon look like Mother Teresa when it comes to the virtue of honesty and integrity.

His political incorrectness is his sale pitch and Trump knows how to make a sale. However, soon as he smells the Oval office, he will be as much of a sellout and liberal bunghole licker as the rest of them and maybe even worse.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Meanwhile, one of the best of them isn't invited to the next debate! The G.O.P.must really want Bush bad cause Carly would kick his azz! http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/u...es-to-secure-spot-in-2nd-gop-debate.html?_r=0


"Let's forget that I'm a woman," Mrs. Fiorina, who is the only female Republican candidate, said when asked about the debate. "I'm in the top five in every state poll and the top 10 in national polls. So what does that say about CNN and the R.N.C.?"

She continued: "I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing, coming out here and talking to voters. As people get to know me, they support me. And you see that in the polls, and you're going to continue to see that in the polls. I'll let CNN and the R.N.C. decide how they look if I'm not on that stage."

 

[U201494]

Just wait for another school shooting for him to suddenly change his view on dangerous "Assault Weapons" and all the "loonies" he will claim who own them. Wheeling dealing businessmen and lawyers seem to make the best politicians. Both are very good at deceiving people to make a sale or win a case.

Donald Trump is about as loyal to gun owners as he is to our POWs. If it suits him at the moment, he will go from befriending them to trashing them. Trump is a well groomed (the famous combover) crook and will make Nixon look like Mother Teresa when it comes to the virtue of honesty and integrity.

His political incorrectness is his sale pitch and Trump knows how to make a sale. However, soon as he smells the Oval office, he will be as much of a sellout and liberal bunghole licker as the rest of them and maybe even worse.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-shooting-a-mental-problem-not-a-gun-problem/

Evidently didn't look for his comments on the gay black racist ex-newsman who murdered two whiteys with a glock did you?
He said "Don't blame the gun." Effectively went on to say he supports the second amendment and all law abiding gun owners.
If you're going to vomit bullschitt at least read the news first.

 

[DieselScout]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-shooting-a-mental-problem-not-a-gun-problem/

Evidently didn't look for his comments on the gay black racist ex-newsman who murdered two whiteys with a glock did you?
He said "Don't blame the gun." Effectively went on to say he supports the second amendment and all law abiding gun owners.
If you're going to vomit bullschitt at least read the news first.

What about in his book where he says he is pro assault weapons ban and pro waiting period? His history on the subject at the very least make what he says now suspect at best.

 

[U201494]

Which book, he has authored a couple dozen?
and
People can change over time, who knows at this point, it's what we have congress for.

 

[DieselScout]

Which book, he has authored a couple dozen?
and
People can change over time, who knows at this point, it's what we have congress for.

In 2000, " The America we Deserve" is where he calls for them and if he changes his mind he can just as easily change it back.

You jumped all over 4Freedom pointing out he could change his mind but now you seem okay with it, so which is it? At the very least he is wishy-washy on gun control. I'd rather choose who has a proven track record of 2nd ammendment support, not someone who's swayed.