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It is getting to the point that we consertives need to vote for a true consertive and if it means to vote a third party and lose this election then so be it. But it will send a message to the republicans we want a real consertive and unless they put one up they will not get a seat. Right now the only difference between rep. And dem. is the color of their jacket.
 
Hopefully we can get some live on air questions on 2a from the candidates. I personally don't trust the NRA's vetting. IMO they will endorse whoever donates the most.

I'd really like to see an informed gun owner stick it to Christie though. When that guy challenged him in New Hampshire and Christie went on about how he had a Dem legislature the guy should have immediately fired back with, "So, you are only an effective leader when your legislative branch is in complete agreement with you? What you are saying is, if we elect you, you are worthless to us without a super majority?" That would have shut Christie down real quick. Guy is a pompous bubblegum.

I'd like to hear Carson's stance on guns. I see Carson or Fiorina as likely VPs, however I think Carson would have as good shot in a general election. His message of, "the country was not started by politicians," is a solid way to go.

From Carson's website:
The right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms is fundamental to our liberty.
It was no accident that our Founding Fathers enshrined the right to own firearms as the 2nd element of the Bill of Rights, immediately after establishing our free speech rights. I cannot and will not support any efforts to weaken The 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment is a central pillar of our Constitution. Our Founding Fathers added it explicitly in order to protect freedom in the United States of America. It provides our citizens the right to protect themselves from threats foreign or domestic.
 
:cool:Damn straight, the Cons need to win the White House. No Bush, no Christie, no Rand Paul because he's a hot head. Kasich is smart as are Walker and Santorum. Trump is a wild card, could be great and could be an unmitigated disaster if he goes soft. Florida or Carson would be good as Pres. But I see them as a Vice President in this mix. But can you imagine either of them getting along with Trump?
My dream team is Rubio Fiorina, because I think Rubio could beat any body. He's smart, would get some of the Hispanic vote and Fiorina would get some women who are not Hillarites.
Email gate will destroy Hillary. You just don't leave as much sensitive material as she has left unprotected for so long. I called it as soon as it happened and Benghazi emails will seal the deal.
The Republicans need to get their candidate by next spring and steam roll the liberals just like Reagan did.
Brutus out
 
For the folks that keep saying don't vote or vote for a third party "to send a message" consider this for just a moment:
Actively work to get rid of the RINOs in the Primary but if we don't... I'd rather vote for a RINO and control them via a conservative congress than to help elect Hitlary and watch the irreversible damage she will do through executive orders and Supreme Court appointments. Heller passed by only one vote and you can be guaranteed that new appointees from Hitlary's side of the isle will do through the SCOTUS what they can't get done at the ballot box, in congress or through Executive Orders.

This would simply guarantee the rapid destruction of our 2A rights (and our nation in turn) while we posture for better political party candidates. What good would that do if the damage is already done? You'd get your message across by sacrificing the next generation's rights. That's a lose-lose situation.

Which is truly worse; somebody you hold your nose and vote for or Hitlary and her policies? And don't give me the "they're all the same" argument if you think Supreme Court judges don't matter. Not that we can guarantee how Roberts will vote on some subjects but so far the pro-2A judges have not been appointed by the left.

Send the message during the primary's but then turn out and vote against Hitlary in the general.

Or don't but then stop complaining...
 
TBH I think it will end up being Kasich/Fiorina. I had thought Bush was going to take it, but Jeb is already losing big donors to Kasich. I think Kasich is still a bit of a RINO, but not nearly as bad a Jeb and others. Also, it bothers me that he came out so strongly yesterday against ending automatic citizenship for children born in the US to illegal immigrants. If at least 1 parent isn't a citizen, you shouldn't be either.

He does seem to be decent on 2A.

Kasich said, "I believe in the 2nd Amendment. Everybody has the right to keep and bear arms to either protect your family, protect yourselves, to be a hunter. The 2nd amendment is part of that Constitution. It's something I believe in. And, we're going to stand firm, very firm, for 2nd Amendment rights here in the state of Ohio."

He made renewing your CCW easier, he supported legislation that passed to eliminate "gun free zones" for ccw holders (bars, etc.) Also got the definition of "loaded weapon" changed so you could have rounds in the magazine.
 
For the folks that keep saying don't vote or vote for a third party "to send a message" consider this for just a moment:
Actively work to get rid of the RINOs in the Primary but if we don't... I'd rather vote for a RINO and control them via a conservative congress than to help elect Hitlary and watch the irreversible damage she will do through executive orders and Supreme Court appointments. Heller passed by only one vote and you can be guaranteed that new appointees from Hitlary's side of the isle will do through the SCOTUS what they can't get done at the ballot box, in congress or through Executive Orders.

This would simply guarantee the rapid destruction of our 2A rights (and our nation in turn) while we posture for better political party candidates. What good would that do if the damage is already done? You'd get your message across by sacrificing the next generation's rights. That's a lose-lose situation.

Which is truly worse; somebody you hold your nose and vote for or Hitlary and her policies? And don't give me the "they're all the same" argument if you think Supreme Court judges don't matter. Not that we can guarantee how Roberts will vote on some subjects but so far the pro-2A judges have not been appointed by the left.

Send the message during the primary's but then turn out and vote against Hitlary in the general.

Or don't but then stop complaining...
That is exactly what the rep. And dem. are expecting. No outsiders allowed because a outsider will mess up everything they have been working for. With real consertives scoutus can be changed. It took the status quo time to get where it is and it will take time to get it changed. Don't be someone who wants instan gratification.
 
" But it will send a message to the Republicans we want a real conservative and unless they put one up they will not get a seat. "

Oh yeah.... that plan really worked well with Ross Perot :rolleyes:... his "message senders" gave us 8 years of the Clintons...and now the current crop of "message senders" are going to give us Pres. Hillary Sanders or Bernie Clinton...all because they want to send a petulant message...to the powerless loser.

The primaries are for message sending, the actual election isn't.
In the actual election a "message" sent to the loser means nothing but 4 more years of the current crowd running things.

If Trump wins the GOP nomination I will vote for him but if he gets pushed out and announces a third party run...Then I'll vote for Cruz or Rubio or Fiorina or etc....
I really don't want the Clinton's to get their "Perot 2.0" money's worth.


While I've got the soap box out:
The current Flustercuck we used to call a Nation, is much, much more than who is President...it's also school boards, county commissioners, sheriffs, city councils, mayors, etc... If you want our kids to know more about Jefferson than Marx don't ignore ANY election. We need to pull out the roots too...and a lot of those roots are in our own back yards.
 
" But it will send a message to the Republicans we want a real conservative and unless they put one up they will not get a seat. "

Oh yeah.... that plan really worked well with Ross Perot :rolleyes:... his "message senders" gave us 8 years of the Clintons...and now the current crop of "message senders" are going to give us Pres. Hillary Sanders or Bernie Clinton...all because they want to send a petulant message...to the powerless loser.

The primaries are for message sending, the actual election isn't.
In the actual election a "message" sent to the loser means nothing but 4 more years of the current crowd running things.

If Trump wins the GOP nomination I will vote for him but if he gets pushed out and announces a third party run...Then I'll vote for Cruz or Rubio or Fiorina or etc....
I really don't want the Clinton's to get their "Perot 2.0" money's worth.


While I've got the soap box out:
The current Flustercuck we used to call a Nation, is much, much more than who is President...it's also school boards, county commissioners, sheriffs, city councils, mayors, etc... If you want our kids to know more about Jefferson than Marx don't ignore ANY election. We need to pull out the roots too...and a lot of those roots are in our own back yards.
How long ago was Perot? It will take more than one time to show it will change. If it was done since Perot then things would be changed by now. Like I said before no instant gratification.
 
"How long ago was Perot?"
For a recent High school grad...Pre-smartphone Stone Age.
For an actual grownup, not that long...only one Clinton ago.

Odd coincidence .....
then when Bill's Misses runs, another self-funded billionaire Clinton donor suddenly decides he's a Republican, and says that he may run as a third party if the GOP doesn't show him enough love.


In an actual general election, voting for a sideshow* strikes me as somewhat the same as, "Cutting off your nose to spite someone else's face". How long do some folks plan on using this "teaching" method?...'till the 2A is gone? 'till wishes become horses?
*One guy isn't a Party (third or otherwise) any more than the "Rents Too High" guy was. There're no Trumpians running for federal office in most States, no Trumpian Party organization administering funds, no convention to create and maintain a platform, etc...Just ol' Donald and his wallet.


Keep in mind that like everyone, I have my opinion and that's what this is**
... I hold them quite firmly (as do others) and I'm really not expecting to change anyone nor do I think less of them because we disagree on some stuff...But let's face it, only discussing stuff we agree on gets really boring, really fast.;)



**Unless you're under 10 years old... Then it's,"Because I said so!!!"
 
Remember the first enviro whacko. Can't remember his name but he ran as a Green Party and it cost the Dems the election as I recall...Ralph Nader, right. His running as a 3rd party got Bush Sr. As I recall elected....I could be mistaken....but it is all about voting for a Repub even over a 3rd party Trump. We recently saw SCOTUS cave to society and not the Constitution TWICE recently. Even a RINO would replace Bader Ginsburg with someone mor conservative. Vote R like your way of life depends on it, and, even more so do it for the children.

Brutus Out
 
Might be false information by the Hillary campaign to beat out the more seasoned GOP candidates but latest Polls are showing a tight race if it ends up Hillary vs Trump in the General Election.

Wont post links but look it up. They also are starting to show Biden vs ????
I'm starting to think he's getting in. We know his wacky ideas on guns, or specifically Shotguns!

I didn't think so before but Trump appears to be in it to win. And he might just do it.

He's got issues but he's certainly not the worst of the lot. And more people than are willing to admit like his anti-PC language.
 
Might be false information by the Hillary campaign to beat out the more seasoned GOP candidates but latest Polls are showing a tight race if it ends up Hillary vs Trump in the General Election.

Wont post links but look it up. They also are starting to show Biden vs ????
I'm starting to think he's getting in. We know his wacky ideas on guns, or specifically Shotguns

Biden/Obama 2016
 
Might be false information by the Hillary campaign to beat out the more seasoned GOP candidates but latest Polls are showing a tight race if it ends up Hillary vs Trump in the General Election.

Wont post links but look it up. They also are starting to show Biden vs ????
I'm starting to think he's getting in. We know his wacky ideas on guns, or specifically Shotguns!

I didn't think so before but Trump appears to be in it to win. And he might just do it.

He's got issues but he's certainly not the worst of the lot. And more people than are willing to admit like his anti-PC language.
Those same polls are showing "Deez Nutz" at 9% of the vote.
 
So Trump never answered the question if he stood by his statement about AWB?

Looks like he claims he was only against real full auto Assault Weapons. I call BS but what's important is he now seems fully on board with true 2ndA rights.

AmmoLand: The deceptive term "Assault Weapons" has proven to be a buzz word among the anti-gun media. Back in 2000 in your book " <broken link removed> you wrote "The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse to even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun."Since that time the AR15 rifle, what the media calls an "assault weapons", has become America's most popular firearm with millions and millions of them owned by good people.

Do you still stand by this quote or has your thinking evolved over the 15 years since you wrote that line?

Donald Trump:

"I certainly stand by my opposition to Gun Control when it comes to taking guns from law-abiding citizens. You mention that the media describes the AR-15 as an "assault rifle," which is one example of the many distortions they use to sell their agenda. However, the AR-15 does not fall under this category. Gun-banners are unfortunately preoccupied with the AR-15, magazine capacity, grips, and other aesthetics, precisely because of its popularity."

"To the Left every gun is an assault weapon."

The waiting period at a dealer thing is not and never was a deal breaker for myself. The wife catches you browsing Ashley Madison web sites, gets ticked off and quickly buys her first gun an hour later and shoots you dead:eek::eek:!!! That's the argument any way. Don't know how many lives it would really save but the inconvenience factor for me would be minute.
The private sale universal background/registration BS?, now that's a real blow to our Rights!

Everyone knows it's a backhanded way to register all guns eventually.
 
Those same polls are showing "Deez Nutz" at 9% of the vote.
What about that Mr. Peanut with his old timey Capitalist costume Top Hat and Monocle?
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So Trump never answered the question if he stood by his statement about AWB?

You can say it.

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He says he has changed direction. Supposed to be against anything like it. We will find out before the election, and he will be vetted on that issue or he won't get the support of most of this nation.
 
Trump is a fraud, but I would vote for him over Hillary, obviously.. And, Sanders, whatever he use to say about being against gun control, now says he supports it, as that would be the only way he could possibly get support for the Democratic nomination.

For all the glorious things we think about Trump, did anyone remember recently when he insulted our POWs saying they were not heroes or heroic? He said he likes soldiers who don't get captured. I guess all those WWII vets who defended our land and ended up in German or Japanese prison camps are all bunch of cowards to Mr. Trump. While he was fooling around with party girls and splurging the nightlife in New York City back in the 70s, those POWs were being tortured and many dying in Vietnam. Many of these men were drafted into the military and just wanted to do their duty to their country.

Anyone who can insult our veterans like he did is not worthy of my respect.

F---- Donald Trump.. He is a spoiled, rotten, slimy rich brat and any guy with loads of cash who wants to run his mouth will get the respect of people for a while.

Yeah, I am glad he will boot out the illegals, but why should we have to depend on a fraudulent slickster like Trump to do the job other Republicans should be doing? And, who knows how tough he will be when he is sitting in the Oval Office. Business people know how to sell themselves, but many also know how to deceive people, as that is part of advertising. He is a great marketer, but does he deliver the goods? I say he is overpriced, just like his sh***y casinos.

If Trump wins he will become the CEO of America, not the President, in my eyes. Just a business man out to satisfy his own pockets and ego. T hen again, that is the way politics has been becoming in this day and age.
 

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