Had an LEO I know got shot with his own Taser bit ago. Fight with perp, perp grabbed his Taser, shoots him in the boot, his Supervisor tries to OC perp and gets both the perp and him. The guy was laughing about it when it was all over. They should have just shot the scum when he went for the stuff on one Duty Belt but of course sadly they are scared of shooting anyone now.
That's all she wrote there, our policy was if a subject gained control of any of our less lethal (OC, TASER, baton) from our duty belt, it was then automatically a lethal force confrontation. Been retired a year now, but that's still no laughing matter.
Disagree. If deadly force is justified there is no duty to use less than deadly force (don't know about some states like New Jersey maybe you have to try to run away and hide there or some BS). Pepper spray or other less deadly options give you a tool in the toolbox for precisely those situations where using a gun will get you thrown in jail for a long time (Fe using deadly force to stop the threat when there is an arguable case that it was disproportionate to the threat/not justified).
Now all you need is a jury that agrees with you.
Litigation is likely no matter what your stance with the criminal courts.
Yep, that's why in the cases where it is not clear of threat of death (such as attacker doesn't have a deadly weapon or whatever) it's good to have options imo.
Lawyers are going to find *any* angle to win their case. It does not matter if they were arguing the exact opposite the case before. In the case of a city/county/state prosecutor what matters is if they are pro/indifferent/anti self defense. The arguments will come *after* the decision to prosecute is made.
The key, it seems to me, is to identify the ones most effectively used in your area, and take steps to mitigate those. I haven't started on that yet.
Yep, rittenhouse was a good example of that. Just because they can make some argument Fe that because you train to shoot makes you a killer doesn't mean you shouldn't train to shoot because you are afraid some prosecutor could use that against you. Do what you need to do to be prepared and be smart about it is what I say. Having crazy clothing with violent slogans on it would probably do more damage than the things one should be doing for adequate self defense Fe. All imo.
But only if using a Hi Point.
I was trying for a trifecta with a "bad" gun name to boot, which allegedly will add 100 years to your sentence, but hey, it's the concept that counts.But only if using a Hi Point.
This gets beat to death quite often so everyone will have to decide what they want to do. For me? I have more years behind me than I do in front. I am NOT going to go toe to toe with someone who wants to pound me. They want to use fists, I will use something better. If I go the rest of the time I have left and never again have to shoot someone I will happy dance my way out of life. If I have to again use deadly force I will not lose sleep over it. Again everyone has to decide what they are comfortable with.
Back in 2016 or 2017 I attending some training at Portland Bureau of Transportation yard under the overpass right across from Legacy Emanuel. Well as my crew and I were walking from our truck to the yard the hospital was kicking a woman out.
Exactly…there are factors that people need to take into consideration when figuring out of force is justified. Even if someone is unarmed there could be justification for using deadly force.This gets beat to death quite often so everyone will have to decide what they want to do. For me? I have more years behind me than I do in front. I am NOT going to go toe to toe with someone who wants to pound me. They want to use fists, I will use something better. If I go the rest of the time I have left and never again have to shoot someone I will happy dance my way out of life. If I have to again use deadly force I will not lose sleep over it. Again everyone has to decide what they are comfortable with.
A less robust makeup doesn't necessarily eliminate the need for intermediate force; it just shifts it. Situations that would have previously called for an outstretched hand or a stern word may now call for a baton or some pepper.This gets beat to death quite often so everyone will have to decide what they want to do. For me? I have more years behind me than I do in front. I am NOT going to go toe to toe with someone who wants to pound me. They want to use fists, I will use something better. If I go the rest of the time I have left and never again have to shoot someone I will happy dance my way out of life. If I have to again use deadly force I will not lose sleep over it. Again everyone has to decide what they are comfortable with.
