We may be talking past each other here. I was asking about non-lethal force items because the stuff I have experience with (from years ago), including pepper spray, was used on me and I found it incredibly underwhelming. I was wondering if things had changes and was looking for input from people with experience with the modern iterations of these products as well as other stuff I may not have considered or been aware of. Was that not what you were talking about?
If you use stream type the chance of you being contaminated is about zero. When I used it on an attacker he was instantly incapacitated for all intents and purposes. I felt nothing. Smelled nothing. Even my fingers had no smell whatsoever. Think of a squirt gun without the dribble. That's what the Pom spray is like.
Lawyers screw up everything. I do consider the basic force continuum to be relevant regardless of legal interpretations because it best encapsulates the various actions you can take to end a situation. You can avoid, deescalate, deter and finally forcefully stop a confrontation. This coincides neatly with not being in the situation in the first place, verbal communication with the aggressor, non-lethal force and lethal force. You do not need to work through the continuum every time, you jump to the spot that you need to be at as the situation develops. If that were not the case you could argue that you would never need to leave "avoidance", because if you are not avoiding the situation you can always avoid harder to still avoid it.
Ok. That's cause you didn't have to go hands on with them. Or wind didn't change direction. I've had different personal experiences when using it. We had stream.
Those are assumptions. You weren't there. Use whatever works for you.
Or your partner sprays you and the bad guy….same with the taser.
Yea that was a huge misconception. People think you have to hit every "step" or "level" in the continuum to advance which is not the case. You can go to passive to deadly force and skip everything in between if the situation dictates.
What are assumptions?
That too. Lol.
"That's cause you didn't have to go hands on with them. Or wind didn't change direction."
The wider the spread the more effect it normally has. If both prongs seat. A lot of variables come into play that can make a taser ineffective.
Ok. Lol.
Absolutely. But the 28 year old soccer moms that are going to be on the civil jury don't know that and honestly some of the characters I worked with in law enforcement didn't know it either and they were supposed instructors…now they are supervisors
Scary to think about huh…..Absolutely. But the 28 year old soccer moms that are going to be on the civil jury don't know that and honestly some of the characters I worked with in law enforcement didn't know it either and they were supposed instructors…now they are supervisors
Seen a particularly big dude sweep the darts right out on LivePD once. One of them boys that gets 3 sets of cuffs daisy chained together.
Yea. Some people are nuts. Clothing plays a huge part too. If the connection isn't good, prong misses, or the spread is too small it can be pretty ineffective.
I was just thinking, none of the prisoners probably liked playing rock paper scissors with the warden because he'd always play pliers.
