I was not aware of the total alcohol prohibition while legally carrying a firearm. Perhaps you could cite your sources?
There's not. That's absurd. Maybe he was thinking of the prohibition of carrying in bars.
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I was not aware of the total alcohol prohibition while legally carrying a firearm. Perhaps you could cite your sources?
You want to argue with a cop? Do it in court.But I will agree that when an officer tells you not to do something it's probably best if you stop and listen to the man.
Best way to not get shot?Best way to deescalate the situation is start shooting..... Great.....
Best way to not get shot?
1.do not take your gun to a bar
2. if you are too stupid to not follow #1, do not get involved in a fight, especially while Cops are trying to intervene.
3. Assuming you are too stupid to follow 1 and 2, and drop the gun in front of the Cops, do not try to then pick it up.
For anyone who can't follow all the first 3, blame the Cop when you get shot.
As I understand it these are not police they are campus security officers so they should be subject to any laws and conditions a civilian would be.
The guy was a Navy vet, father, grandfather, US Postal worker, good samaritan trying to keep his friend from getting into a fight and thrown in jail, and ends up dead because of two cops with itchy trigger fingers.
If our operating principal is shoot first and ask questions later, we're failing. Nothing about his behavior up to that point showed he was doing ANYTHING besides trying to break up a fight. Cops are conditioned to start shooting the second they even see a silhouette in someone's hand, which is why people get killed for holding an iPhone.
The headline should read "Good Guy with a gun gets killed by cops", because cops are ill prepared to even distinguish between a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with a gun.
I agree with others in that he made some poor choices, but he isn't dead because of them. He is dead because of the choices the police made. How much time transpired between "drop the gun" and the gunshots? Not much. If given more than a second or two to comply he probably would have, and would probably still be alive.
Guilty until proven innocent and deserving of a death sentence and summary execution because he had some beers and made a bad decision that wasn't corrected 500 milliseconds fast enough?How long does it take to pull a trigger? If the guns in hand and out of the holster it's ready to be fired. There's no excuse for picking it up after it's off your person unless you plan to fire it.
How long does it take to pull a trigger? If the guns in hand and out of the holster it's ready to be fired. There's no excuse for picking it up after it's off your person unless you plan to fire it in the given situation.
And you're being overly dramatic with the facts. He made a lot of bad decisions. Worst of all picking up a gun on the ground with cops present.
I think you're being non-chalant about an innocent man being killed for having a natural reaction to dropping his concealed carry handgun: he went to pick it up.And you're being overly dramatic with the facts. He made a lot of bad decisions. Worst of all picking up a gun on the ground with cops present. If you can't see the logical process that took place following that choice, nothing I can do for you. But turning this into some propaganda speech isn't helping anything.
Go read the news articles and watch the multiple videos of the incident and make your own judgment.
Well, I agree your opinion as stated on face value is clear with how you feel. And I hope mine is clear, but because of the subjectivity I'm unconvinced at this time about the overall clarity. By that I mean, unconvinced that your opinion -if is to be a, or the final acknowledged stance -supercedes mine or others' opinions and questions, with relation to the law, facts, and interpretation as we learn more about this case.Sorry you're confused, but that's on you. I feel I made my points pretty clear.
Innocent people all have the right to go home to their families. Making a bad choice shouldn't be a death sentence.People die everyday from all sorts of things one could call tragic. Some are more avoidable than others, but in the end people make bad choices and end up dead. It's just a reality of exisiting in this world. A cop has as much a right to go home to their family. In this situation the cops felt they had to end a threat themselves and the numerous people around them who didn't pick up the gun. You can spin it anyway you please, but only one person had a live firearm in their hand at a point during a chaotic drunken brawl. His mistake to own to the very the end. You may want it to be one be one way, but how it is doesn't change. And how it is is overall a clear line of consequences to choices. People bubblegum up, and he bubblegumed up bad.