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body armor. Armor plate does not mean just body armorYou asked someone to show.you it was used by the military and there source is credible
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body armor. Armor plate does not mean just body armorYou asked someone to show.you it was used by the military and there source is credible
body armor. Armor plate does not mean just body armor
If theres enough kinetic energy for a bullet to make a dent deep enough on ar500 plate, that dent has to transfer the remaining energy into the tissue. I know of no body armor in which 100% of the energy from a rifle round is contained within the armor thickness.
Well yea, note armored car. Just what are armored vehicles other than tanks are made of ?
M113 uses aluminum armor. Does it mean we should wear aluminum plates? Heck no lol it's not gonna be thin or light enough to protect against small arms on a person.
The M1114 Up Armored HummVee has steel armor.
You asked someone to show.you it was used by the military and there source is credible
Steel armor plate is standard for vehicles, including M1114s. Of course they'll say this is "proof that military uses ar500" the specific question you posted, was related to personal body armor, right?So someone peddling "armor" is a credible source?
Ok so it looks like they used a Swedish? AR1000 steel armor plate, and a ceramic/polyethylene hybrid plate; but looks like they show that with the ceramic plate, no kevlar backer there's potential for blunt force trauma. Bringing me back to my assertion, by not wearing a trauma pad and/or 2-3A soft armor, you're gonna get blunt force trauma. Theres another test using an older ceramic plate that shows how serious blunt force can be when subject to certain ammos
In the video I linked, they showed that a ceramic hybrid armor plate without soft armor backer still had blunt force trauma (a dent in the clay); whereas with the backer; the same plate showed a better distribution.I'm wondering if we are talking about the same thing, because the first test they perform is shooting the steel plate armor in the carrier and testing the blunt force trauma and the clay they are using behind it has no visible deformation, the plate effectively diffused the impact and energy across the whole surface area, significantly reducing what the body would feel.
Soft armor is a different story - that has never been disputed by me, soft armor is similar to a net catching a bullet and significant blunt force trauma does occur with soft armor stopping bullets.
Steel armor plate is standard for vehicles, including M1114s. Of course they'll say this is "proof that military uses ar500" the specific question you posted, was related to personal body armor, right?
Soooo.........and I'm asking just civilians here.......how many of you wear body armor daily? And if you do.....WHY?
LARPing?
Edit. I find it real weird that people are touting "multi hit" as a virtue for whatever armor they pick... realistically? You ain't gonna put the steel plate back into use after getting knocked out by one round. At least not if its got significant denting from whatever rifle round hit it, and if you weren't wearing backers and trauma foam pad behind, you're going to have some broken bones and massive bruising.. hopefully not internal hemorrhage.
The thing about armor:
You should go jogging in it (and whatever else you plan on carrying) at least once a week. Running and moving from and into cover is a lot more difficult with 60+ pounds on you. If you can't move, you can't fight, and you may as well just hand your gear to someone who can, because they're gonna take it off you after you drop.
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Armor is one tool in the toolbox (medical, marksmanship, ect) and exists to help potentially mitigate life threatening injuries.
There is always the trade off of weight vs comfort.
For the average American armor will never be needed.
For the citizen considering potential home invasions, civil unrest (Ferguson, Baltimore, LA Riots, ect) then level IIIA soft armor will most likely suffice since the 2018 FBI crime statistics states that less than 300 of 14,000 homicides in the U.S. occurred with a rifle of any type .
The benefit of IIIA soft armor is that it is light, generally comfortable, concealable, and less likely to cause fatigue.
For the citizens concerned with additional threats and looking to acquire hard armor...that is totally going to depend on an individuals emergency plan, fitness, and a variety of other factors.
The debate can rage all day about Steel vs Ceramic, Level III vs III+ vs IV .
I think a good rule is that if you decide to purchase hard armor it should, at a minimum, protect you against your own primary rifle caliber.
For a low price obtaining armor is not out of reach of most citizens. It may stay in a locker or trunk somewhere and never be used beyond the range or occasional workout.
So take a realistic look at your emergency plan, buy what works for you, obtain medical training (damaged extremities are not covered by armor and can be lethal) and most importantly: be safe.
Safe shooting and I pray nobody on this forum ever has to use their armor.
It would be nice to find a set of 3A hard plates that aren't steel or at the least, has both aramid and polyethylene or very thin layer of titanium?One thing to consider about soft armor vs hard armor - if a person is deciding to wear soft armor - even if it can stop a pistol, it will still damage the body and potentially break bones. Hard armor stops pistol rounds and also prevents trauma from impact.