BBC reports US liberals buying more guns

[Jim Colvill]

Why US liberals are now buying guns too - BBC News

an interesting read concerning the increased sales of guns in the US among more left leaning members of the society who are not known for their pro-gun attitude. The effects of FUD are now at the other end of the spectrum.

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[bolus]

not trying to be offensive, but how would Clara, the transgendered woman in the article, fill out the 4473 without raising issues?

 

[Gene Rojas]

They are a bit too late to the party- we conservatives have been armed for years, and not firearms, but ammo, gear, training and lifestyle. Liberals are only now just realizing that only firearms are not only a way to keep a government from becoming tyrannical and repressive, but also a means to implement political policy and enforce it. It's hilarious to hear millenials talk about a "purge" of Republicans, conservatives and Christians (like the movies of the same name), when the vast majority have been running from guns their whole lives- how will they get rid of us when we are armed to the teeth? Even if they tried we would slaughter them like pigs at the butcher. Anyways, the majority of liberals are all talk- the fact that trump will become President on Jan. 21 is proof of that.

Geno

 

[Certaindeaf]

What about trucks, knives and pressure cookers?

 

[U8395279]

Why US liberals are now buying guns too - BBC News

an interesting read concerning the increased sales of guns in the US among more left leaning members of the society who are not known for their pro-gun attitude. The effects of FUD are now at the other end of the spectrum.

I think that the British are very confused about gun ownership here in the USA, and thus have no understanding at all of the subject of guns in our society. For them to call folks like black people and gays "non-traditional" gun owners seems to be extremely stereotypical at best.

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[UserNameInUse]

Fake news. They searched out a few people to interview that they thought would make a good story.

 

[PiratePast40]

I think that the British are very confused about gun ownership here in the USA, and thus have no understanding at all of the subject of guns in our society. For them to call folks like black people and gays "non-traditional" gun owners seems to be extremely stereotypical at best..

Waiting for liberals to be triggered by being called non-traditional.

 

[Gene Rojas]

Fake news. They searched out a few people to interview that they thought would make a good story.

Anyways it's good liberals aren't really into guns- they are so volatile, emotional and violent in their expression of politics and beliefs I couldn't even imagine what would happen if they had guns. We'd have to shoot them, plain and simple, just to maintain peace and order. Thank God we shoot often, do tactical training, and are for the most part better prepared than they are.
The first shot will only be to wound and disarm them- if they chose to commit the level of violence with guns they committed after the elections, the second shot would be obvious.

Geno

 

[etrain16]

Generally speaking, I think it's a good thing when new folks come into gun ownership. I would hope, perhaps I'm hoping too much, that it would eventually lead to a point where neither major party, Republican or Democrat, would want to touch gun control issues for fear they will incur wrath from their base. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, gun ownership, gun rights, should not be, should never have been, a left/right issue. Unfortunately, the left/Democrat party chose to pick up the flag of gun control and restricting gun rights, and have been running with that for some time. It is an American issue, a basic rights issue, that affects everyone regardless of political affiliation. I strongly believe we should encourage folks that have followed with the left in believing in the lie of gun control, to reconsider that stance and to become gun owners themselves, and to fight for gun rights, rather than encourage gun control. If gun control were to become toxic to the Democrat party, and perhaps it is starting to swing that way (fingers crossed), then maybe we can stop worrying about which of our gun rights will be ripped out of our hands if a Democrat is elected to office. Again, it's wishful thinking, but perhaps it could happen. Neither party should own gun rights, and neither party should be attacking those rights. The right to bear arms is a basic American right, so all Americans should be equally concerned with protecting that right.

God bless America, and pass the ammo!!

 

[Medic!]

Anyways it's good liberals aren't really into guns- they are so volatile, emotional and violent in their expression of politics and beliefs I couldn't even imagine what would happen if they had guns. We'd have to shoot them, plain and simple, just to maintain peace and order. Thank God we shoot often, do tactical training, and are for the most part better prepared than they are.
The first shot will only be to wound and disarm them- if they chose to commit the level of violence with guns they committed after the elections, the second shot would be obvious.

Geno

Are you near a mirror?

Your sounding a bit '' volatile, emotional and violent''.

 

[etrain16]

Anyways it's good liberals aren't really into guns- they are so volatile, emotional and violent in their expression of politics and beliefs I couldn't even imagine what would happen if they had guns. We'd have to shoot them, plain and simple, just to maintain peace and order. Thank God we shoot often, do tactical training, and are for the most part better prepared than they are.
The first shot will only be to wound and disarm them- if they chose to commit the level of violence with guns they committed after the elections, the second shot would be obvious.

Geno

Since I know some liberal gun owners, I can tell you for a fact that your generalization of them as being overly emotional and violent simply doesn't hold water. I know some liberal gun owners, who happen to have a very hard time admitting to folks they are liberal gun owners because of the backlash that comes from that admission, that are just as responsible, just as well trained and every bit as enthusiastic about guns and gun ownership. They have admitted to being ignored by their own party, but since most are not willing to be single issue voters, supporting their party for many other things that are important to them, while silently enjoying the rights their own party seek to restrict, knowing their own party is working against them. As a former member of the Republican Party (now non-affiliated) I can say I've felt that way about my party in the past.

Honestly, I know folks on the right that I would rather not see with guns in their hands. Party affiliation isn't a great determiner of whether someone is stable, intelligent, rational or reasonable. We tend to reduce it to that, but it's far to great a generalization, and in reality, only applies to a portion of the whole. Again, that applies to both major party adherents.

 

[DB is Here]

Geno

Eat a Snickers bar bro...

 

[Gene Rojas]

Are you near a mirror?

Your sounding a bit '' volatile, emotional and violent''.

Me? Nope- I've never been arrested my entire life. Nor have I rioted, burned or destroyed private or public property, even when my candidate didn't win a Presidential election. I'll admit to having a bit of a temper in my younger years, but as I go older, married, more responsible, I learned to control it, and think things though before I act. I am well aware of the damage and destruction my firearms can do, as well as the consequences of my actions.

Like many of you, I own firearms for self-defense- it's only through constant practice do we become proficient in their use. But I've also lived through the LA riots in 1992, faced and spoken to armed gunmen face-to-face on the street, so I know what's coming and am ready for it. I've lived in large cities most of my life, been a victim of urban violence more than once, so I know the look of someone ready to do evil- I won't be a victim anymore. and with my current collection of firearms, I sleep very well at night.

As to liberal sportsmen who grew up with firearms, that's acceptable- this is America, and as long as you can pass the BGC and have no felonies you have the right to bear arms too- some of those guys are actually my buddies. But the vast majority of liberals are anti-gun, ranting, elitist, socialists who have shown their true colors. I know the violent ones are mostly the unemployed millenials who didn't even vote, too. Everyone these days is guilty of generalizing- I've had liberals call me a racist, which is the biggest joke (being Asian, I've dealt with racism from whites, blacks, and latinos my whole life- I got thick skin and I know good people from bad)- I'm happy to make assumptions and be human too.

Geno

 

[Dungannon]

I am always pleased to read a news report that young people, women, gays, liberals, et al are now buying guns. I am always disappointed when life-long defenders of the 2nd Amendment disparage such news.

 

[etrain16]

But the vast majority of liberals are anti-gun, ranting, elitist, socialists who have shown their true colors. I know the violent ones are mostly the unemployed millenials who didn't even vote, too. Everyone these days is guilty of generalizing- I've had liberals call me a racist, which is the biggest joke (being Asian, I've dealt with racism from whites, blacks, and latinos my whole life- I got thick skin and I know good people from bad)- I'm happy to make assumptions and be human too.

It's human nature to cast aspersions on folks that are different from us, from race, to religion to political affiliation, we all do it, but that doesn't make it right. I prefer, as often as I can, to measure the quality of the individual, and judge whether they are a good and decent person, by their own actions. It would be nice if we could get everyone to do that, and that is part of the dream that MLK Jr. himself had.

In my life, I find myself around liberals, Democrats, etc., far more than right-wing conservative types. I would probably classify my personal views as middle right, with a definite conservative bent, but not turning a blind eye to some of the good things that the left stand for, such as certain social programs and assistance, etc. - all within reason and limits, of course. I know of the types of folks you're referring to - the ones that like to go out and riot in downtown PDX over just about any issue, then freely admit they never voted. But I can tell you, I know plenty of hardworking, liberal millenials that would never get involved in such things. Being liberal doesn't mean you're a loser that only lives off the system - yes, you can probably say that a larger percentage of people that live off the government are liberal/Democrat, and the reasons may seem obvious as it is the Democrats that usually seek to further expand such programs. But I know a lot of hardworking, dedicated, trustworthy, intelligent and rational Democrats that take care of themselves and don't look to the government to feed them every day. So, do we ignore them and just focus on the small percentage of rabble-rousers that the media throw up on the screen? It's no more fair to take those folks and say all Democrats are like them than it is to say that the White Nationalists/KKK represent all Republicans/Conservatives - obviously they represent a small fraction, but there are those that try to make it appear that they represent most of us.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of disagreements with liberal/Democrat philosophy, but I have no problem counting them among my friends, family, co-workers, etc. So long as they are kind to me and my beliefs, I'm willing to be kind to them. We can be respectful and still disagree, even strongly. In fact, I do think there is value in being able to talk with those of beliefs that differ from our own. There is much to be learned from those of different backgrounds, different races, different religions - and I believe that spending time with them more often than not helps to bolster our own beliefs.

That said, yes, there are bad Democrats, but we must admit there are bad Republicans too. I go back to what I said earlier, I prefer to judge a person's quality of character by their actions, not by a party affiliation, etc. I get where you're coming from, I've felt the same way myself. I just find as I get older the generalizations haven't really helped me much, so I'm working to overcome that - maybe someday I'll succeed in that goal.

 

[Jim Colvill]

not trying to be offensive, but how would Clara, the transgendered woman in the article, fill out the 4473 without raising issues?

She uses the pen rather than a crayon?

 

[Certaindeaf]

I am always pleased to read a news report that young people, women, gays, liberals, et al are now buying guns..

Too bad they vote anti-freedom.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

not trying to be offensive, but how would Clara, the transgendered woman in the article, fill out the 4473 without raising issues?

That is a good question.
I'm guessing Clara would answer with whatever gender is on her driver's license or ID card.
Most likely its whatever gender she identifies with.
What would happen if someone took issue with or questioned her gender ,while filing out a government form could make for an interesting conversation.
Andy

 

[CHLChris]

I agree that more people buying guns is good for the gun freedoms movement no matter what. However, leftists owning guns does not, necessarily, make them more prone to wanting freedoms expanded. They are VERY susceptible to the thinking that they a) don't want those crazy gun people possessing more guns and ammo since that scares them and b) once they get theirs they don't care about anybody else.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record (Form 4473) has been revised
Section A
Question 6: Changed "Gender" to "Sex".
Question 11.e: Added a warning statement regarding marijuana that has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where the transferee/buyer resides.

New people who experience the fun of shooting and our current broken system are inoculated to resist future laws that add more infringements.