Active shooter at a Texas HS

[Foamcups]

Works just fine for Catholic Schools. They don't ever have shootings, and their SAT/GPAs blows public school clear out.

We had closed campus for a time at Sprague High School in Salem. Kids were speeding through the neighborhood and neighbors complained.. so the admin closed the rear gates. I remember Pizza Hut and Taco Bell brought food carts to campus at lunch. It was fine.

I'm "inconvenienced" every time I have to get on an airplane, but it's for my own good. This is the Post 911 world, the schools need to get with the program.

If schools need to get with the program in a post 9/11 world, then so does the rest of society.

State Sponsored television, because we need to be protected.

Armed clerks in every Walmart.

Surveillance in every home.

Abolish the First and Second Amendments for our own protection.

Etc etc...

 

[Colts4me]

I don't think placing the entire blame on the modern school system is the right thing to do.

I think there is a lot going on today other than just school.

Our youth is trapped inn the experiment of modern society.

It is apparent that that experiment is not going as planned.

Friend I love kids, I feel they are the heartbeat of America. To solve any problem I look at what is different, I compare the events and see a commonality in all of them. Every killer has social problems in school. They have our kids more than we do and they set the tone for social development. If kids are being bullied and victimized to the point of killing other kids then it's clearly the social order of the schools.

Not just the creation of the problem but their failure to see it and help the kids who really need help. What's different?

 

[TOVO]

Seems to me that many of the young people in the "everyone gets a trophy" generation does not know how the handle confrontation. Seems to me many of these young people whom commit these shootings has been bullied or picked on. IMO there are many issues going on from social media, everyone is caughtled, to mental health issues.

 

[Member 34319]

Friend I love kids, I feel they are the heartbeat of America. To solve any problem I look at what is different, I compare the events and see a commonality in all of them. Every killer has social problems in school. They have our kids more than we do and they set the tone for social development. If kids are being bullied and victimized to the point of killing other kids then it's clearly the social order of the schools.

Not just the creation of the problem but their failure to see it and help the kids who really need help. What's different?

Very valid points.

I just think blaming the schools solely for a kids social problems is not the right path towards a solution.

The schools can be a filter through which the problem can be noticed, but there are many more filters that exist outside of school that are failing too.

If the parents are treating their children as society has become expected to do so, that nothing they do is wrong and they are unique and individual, they may never see the problem as a problem. To the parent, their kid was just, their kid.

 

[oneharmonic]

Suspect: Dimitrios Pagourtzis: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Posted pictures of a handgun on Instagram. Hmmm...how did a 17 year old have access to a handgun?



Posted pictures of his favorite trench coat adorned with Satanic and Nazi symbols on social media. Double hmmm...



Posted a "Born To Kill" shirt on Facebook. Triple hmmm...



His Instagram account was following a bunch of gun related accounts (nothing wrong with that), plus Trump and his family. Quadruple hmmm....



You know, there was another big school shooting recently, and I'm sensing a theme here...but I can't quite put my finger on it...

 

[Foamcups]

Suspect: Dimitrios Pagourtzis: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Posted pictures of a handgun on Instagram. Hmmm...how did a 17 year old have access to a handgun?

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Posted pictures of his favorite trench coat adorned with Satanic and Nazi symbols on Instagram. Double hmmm...

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Posted a "Born To Kill" shirt on Facebook. Triple hmmm...

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His Instagram account was following a bunch of gun related accounts (nothing wrong with that), plus Trump and his family. Quadruple hmmm....

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Obviously a libcuck lefty conspiracy against a fine young Maganaut.

 

[titsonritz]

My other half brought this up after the last school shooting (or maybe the one before, or the one before that, or the one before...): Why the heck does the media use the word "shooter" for someone who should be called a MURDERER. I get the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, but why downplay it. The media is know for sensationalizing everything and yet the term murderer seems like it's off limits.

At minimum, they should be using "accused murderer", IMO.

Prayers out to all the victims, their families and friends.

 

[bolus]

• gen x'er decide their parents were too strict and decide to let children have what ever they want
• Spanking made a taboo
• everyone wins, trophies for participation. Everyone grows up expecting them to be worshiped for doing nothing
• constant media explosion - phones, movies, video games, porn. Constant triggering of reward centers in brain
• Bullies get access to you 24/7 via social messaging
• Kids only communicate through text messages eliminating all non-verbal communication
• Depression, anxiety and "ADHD" run rampant in kids, pharmaceutical companies promote treatment
• 37 new genders and you must push them on pre-pubescent kids
• Media turning everyone against everyone to score ratings
• Entitlement is paramount
• Respect lost for those who can think critically, anti-vaxxers win, use the same broken logic to teach their kids
• Media celebrate shooters, names in lights. You get your trophy even if you kill people.

I guess I could go on.... We are watching the corruption of society. not a gun problem.

 

[Aero Denezol]

If schools need to get with the program in a post 9/11 world, then so does the rest of society.

State Sponsored television, because we need to be protected.

Armed clerks in every Walmart.

Surveillance in every home.

Abolish the First and Second Amendments for our own protection.

Etc etc...

People are saying the negative "social order" is hurting the kids. I'm offering school uniforms as part of a solution to changing the culture in government run (aka public) schools. It seems to work well in private schools, who have better sports, better academics, higher achievement, and zero school shootings.

What solution do you suggest?

 

[Colts4me]

Very valid points.

I just think blaming the schools solely for a kids social problems is not the right path towards a solution.

The schools can be a filter through which the problem can be noticed, but there are many more filters that exist outside of school that are failing too.

If the parents are treating their children as society has become expected to do so, that nothing they do is wrong and they are unique and individual, they may never see the problem as a problem. To the parent, their kid was just, their kid.

The schools are educators, supposedly the smartest people we have. Yet after how many murders they don't set up a profile to watch for the kids that will kill. Whether the kid gets it from outside or inside he kills in the schools so you would think the schools would talk to kids and profile them and then get them help. Parents have little time with their kids in most cases, schools have all day yet they don't develop skills and tools to stop it's killing. It really is up to them, there is no guarding against the monsters they create and their social order is the creator.

 

[Colts4me]

People are saying the negative "social order" is hurting the kids. I'm offering school uniforms as part of a solution to changing the culture in government run (aka public) schools. It seems to work well in private schools, who have better sports, better academics, higher achievement, and zero school shootings.

What solution do you suggest?

I suggest looking very hard, a science on what's different between schools. Study the social order from the administrators on down through the teachers then the kids. Then do the same in public schools and compare them. Build a better social order.

 

[nammac]

People are saying the negative "social order" is hurting the kids. I'm offering school uniforms as part of a solution to changing the culture in government run (aka public) schools. It seems to work well in private schools, who have better sports, better academics, higher achievement, and zero school shootings.

What solution do you suggest?

Private schools have zero school shootings... I do believe this requires further investigation as to why this is true.

I'll offer up the first tidbit, parental involvement... Second tidbit, two parent family... Third tidbit, ZERO government involvement...

 

[Alexx1401]

Private schools have zero school shootings... I do believe this requires further investigation as to why this is true.

I'll offer up the first tidbit, parental involvement... Second tidbit, two parent family... Third tidbit, ZERO government involvement...

YEP!!! Add to that they do NOT tolerate screw ups. If you can't behave and learn they show you the door. It was like when I was back in College last time and on the honor roll. Told many what a screw up I was in high school. Said it's a lot different when you are choosing to go and paying for it out of pocket.

 

[nammac]

Now to the topic at hand, year another school shooting. I have no comment on the shooter until the details come out, but I'd be willing to bet my lest dollar the shooter was on some type of psychotropic drug....

My prayers and heart go out to the families who lost their children today as well as the teacher.

Folks, we need to take control of the narrative and demand that our schools be secured by whatever means necessary. We, as gun owners need to pressure the politicians to secure our schools...

 

[JRuby]

School shootings are an indicator of a bigger problem with society. We have a break down in societal norms. An example of this is that you cannot even believe what our leaders tell us and their lack of respect towards each other. Our society exhibits an extreme lack of respect towards others.

 

[Colts4me]

The media is still on its anti gun parade with this yet common sense tells us the real problem is in the schools. Its' a good tool to use these killings to take your guns and they are working hard right now. If yall know whats' good for you then if you want to keep your guns you better get on the biggest media out there and fight back. Point out where the responsiblity is on Facebook. Its' the schools, not the guns.

 

[nammac]

Yup lots of signs with this one again, posting online that he wanted to commit the shooting and then commit suicide.

Someone wanting to commit suicide has a mental imbalance that should be investigated and treated.

Weapons used, shotgun and the other was a .38 revolver. Neither were his, but we're obtained from his father... This coming from the Governor of Texas...

 

[Kruel J]

The suspect is a 17 year old student there. Apparently CNN reported that there was no record of him purchasing firearms. Duh!

I do feel terrible for the families of the victims. From what I've read, this kid should have been investigated before something like this could have happened.

 

[Colts4me]

Now to the topic at hand, year another school shooting. I have no comment on the shooter until the details come out, but I'd be willing to bet my lest dollar the shooter was on some type of psychotropic drug....

My prayers and heart go out to the families who lost their children today as well as the teacher.

Folks, we need to take control of the narrative and demand that our schools be secured by whatever means necessary. We, as gun owners need to pressure the politicians to secure our schools...

Its my opinion the psycho drugs just intensified the hate development of the social order in the schools. The killers have been bullied and drug this victim up and he will kill. No amount of guarding will stop him, put guards on the schools and he will shoot up a bus stop where the kids are waiting. It's time to stop this where the problem is developing, it's the schools.

 

[Kruel J]

Yup lots of signs with this one again, posting online that he wanted to commit the shooting and then commit suicide.

Someone wanting to commit suicide has a mental imbalance that should be investigated and treated.

Weapons used, shotgun and the other was a .38 revolver. Neither were his, but we're obtained from his father... This coming from the Governor of Texas...

So proposals like IP 43 wouldn't have stopped this. Go figure.