Washington 1240 bill bans parts?

[bellarum]

Palmetto will not send the following to Washington, the link to this list is on their homepage:
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Davidson Defense also has a legal notice on their homepage.

So…No magazine over 7rnds for shotgun and….
No shotgun magazine over 7rnds.
Got it.

 

[micdude]

The real question is what is the insurance value for a "right" that cannot be replaced after a loss (fire, theft, hurricane)? Seems like it could be astronomical in monetary terms. Actual AR Value $500-$2500 loss of right value???? Seven Figures does not sound out of line, and who do you sue? Bobby Ferge, Jayboy, Office of Consumer Protection.

The legislation can say it does not create a right, but the actual language of it does. Those who owned evil rifles before the ban have more 2a rights than those who did not.

The ramifications are larger then most understand my children can't buy anything and the only way they can is if I hand it down to them after I die and they inherit it.


Dramatic no the truth yes

 

[Hooyah DeepSea]

Sounds like ya'll need to do two things real soon; document the crap out of what you have, and make darn sure your homeowners insurance will cover adequately. With the ban presently in place, some insurance companies may not cover 'banned' items at all. You had best check.

 

[JOCKITCH]

Does the bill 1240 make it so a person cannot fix or upgrade your current long gun? Cannot purchase needed parts?

You can stiil buy parts online, just keep looking. I did it yesterday

 

[arakboss]

If HB 1240 bans WA residents from purchasing or possessing banned parts while visiting another State, can you post that language from the bill and what section(s) it can be found in.

 

[Bushman]

What if you had bought uppers and parts long ago? Can you swap parts then? Maybe with a good boot lick? A reach around?

 

[Sporting Systems]

If HB 1240 bans WA residents from purchasing or possessing banned parts while visiting another State, can you post that language from the bill and what section(s) it can be found in.

The word IMPORT covers it.

 

[arakboss]

The word IMPORT covers it.

I am wanting to know if WA residents can possess HB1240 banned items while physically in another State.

 

[Sporting Systems]

I am wanting to know if WA residents can possess HB1240 banned items while physically in another State.

Yup. State can't control what you do outside of the state.

 

[PiratePast40]

I am wanting to know if WA residents can possess HB1240 banned items while physically in another State.

Are you asking if Washingtonians can be prevented from purchasing parts out of state and if the seller has any liability? SB5078 might answer your questions. If you're wondering where Washingtonians can go to get parts and pieces before the law goes into effect on July 23rd, might want to look here. The gun show in Albany, weekend before last, had a few distributors from Washington with tables full of AR components.

If you wondering if out of state vendors will still sell to Washingtonians if they don't know they are from Washington, I would suggest that don't ask, don't tell would be a good policy. Will there be some that ask for ID because they're afraid of non-compliance? I'm sure there will be some, and the market will determine if it's worthwhile doing business with them.

 

[billcozzens]

Primary Arms has halted all AR parts shipments to Washington Residents.
they just cancelled orders I had in the system from awhile ago.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

You guys in WA should look into gas port modifiers that turn the gun into bolt action. The example below has free state and banned state modes and makes the gun CA legal. Similar products should work in WA too I would think. they need to make one for ARs and other semi autos if they don't already.

 

[arakboss]

Primary Arms has halted all AR parts shipments to Washington Residents.
they just cancelled orders I had in the system from awhile ago.

Have them shipped to Oregon. I just received an AR15 barrel I ordered from Primary Arms.

 

[Hoopster]

FYI-

Bob Ferguson and his "Dirty Little Cabal" are likely monitoring these blogs and taking notes on companies that are still shipping to this s***hole state.

Likely best to NOT mention by name companies who still ship here other than PM/DM messages

 

[RX-79G]

FYI-

Bob Ferguson and his "Dirty Little Cabal" are likely monitoring these blogs and taking notes on companies that are still shipping to this s***hole state.

Likely best to NOT mention by name companies who still ship here other than PM/DM messages

Yes, they have armies of state employees that have nothing to do but monitor gun forums.

 

[kopcicle]

forgive me for the cross/double post please. I actually wrote this for this thread and another situation came up ....

The State can prosecute a sender and receiver of parts that can be made into an assault rifle under the importation clause.

This is accomplished by the "How do we know that this part is for an existing weapon" as well as the constructive possession definition.

Additionally, where does this stop? Is a spare bolt carrier group a spare part or constructive possession? When is a .154" drill bit a drill bit and not a device with a constant dimension sufficient to be a fire control component by simply cutting to length? Music wire that can be easily wound into a spring? A model 70 or 700 becomes a deadly sniper rifle if it's painted black and has more than a 4x scope on it? A piece of thin wall tubing or a component for a suppressor? A picture drawn on a metal business card or a machine gun? A pistol brace or a felony?

In the extreme a detail stripped weapon defined as an assault rifle found by law enforcement during a legal search could be termed constructive possession by claiming that the State has no way of proving that it previously a complete rifle.

[sarc]This is because there is no such thing as a universal registry of firearms no matter what anyone thinks of the 4473 form. [/sarc]

There is so much about this legislation, now unconstitutional law, that can be used by the State to place the burden of proof on the citizen.

"I owned the magazines prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"
"I owned the rifle prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"
"I owned the parts prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"
"Those parts were shipped prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"

Sideshow Bob says "prove it" and is well on the way to having an unconstitutional but "legal" method of doing so in each of the above cases.

I've seen this coming for decades and when I spoke to it, I was labeled paranoid.

The State just took away your right to defend yourself with the most effective means in common use. I'm not talking about any rifle or gun. I'm talking about our constitution and bill of rights.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I'm talking about constitution of the United States of America.
The constitution that I swore an oath to support and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Oath of office that our executive branch and legislature swear to is only marginally different.

Fortunately, there is article 92 of the UCMJ. This defines illegal orders.
Its civilian counterpart being impeachment and possible prosecution for treason.

"It will never happen, not here"
TBD...
April 25, 2023
January 1, 2019
September 13, 1994
May 19, 1986


I may yet see the end of the second amendment in my lifetime.

 

[monkeybutler]

 

[RX-79G]

forgive me for the cross/double post please. I actually wrote this for this thread and another situation came up ....

The State can prosecute a sender and receiver of parts that can be made into an assault rifle under the importation clause.

This is accomplished by the "How do we know that this part is for an existing weapon" as well as the constructive possession definition.

Additionally, where does this stop? Is a spare bolt carrier group a spare part or constructive possession? When is a .154" drill bit a drill bit and not a device with a constant dimension sufficient to be a fire control component by simply cutting to length? Music wire that can be easily wound into a spring? A model 70 or 700 becomes a deadly sniper rifle if it's painted black and has more than a 4x scope on it? A piece of thin wall tubing or a component for a suppressor? A picture drawn on a metal business card or a machine gun? A pistol brace or a felony?

In the extreme a detail stripped weapon defined as an assault rifle found by law enforcement during a legal search could be termed constructive possession by claiming that the State has no way of proving that it previously a complete rifle.

[sarc]This is because there is no such thing as a universal registry of firearms no matter what anyone thinks of the 4473 form. [/sarc]

There is so much about this legislation, now unconstitutional law, that can be used by the State to place the burden of proof on the citizen.

"I owned the magazines prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"
"I owned the rifle prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"
"I owned the parts prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"
"Those parts were shipped prior to the ban" Sideshow Bob says "prove it"

Sideshow Bob says "prove it" and is well on the way to having an unconstitutional but "legal" method of doing so in each of the above cases.

I've seen this coming for decades and when I spoke to it, I was labeled paranoid.

The State just took away your right to defend yourself with the most effective means in common use. I'm not talking about any rifle or gun. I'm talking about our constitution and bill of rights.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I'm talking about constitution of the United States of America.
The constitution that I swore an oath to support and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Oath of office that our executive branch and legislature swear to is only marginally different.

Fortunately, there is article 92 of the UCMJ. This defines illegal orders.
Its civilian counterpart being impeachment and possible prosecution for treason.

"It will never happen, not here"
TBD...
April 25, 2023
January 1, 2019
September 13, 1994
May 19, 1986


I may yet see the end of the second amendment in my lifetime.

Yeah, but if you have a receiver, that has a purchase date logged at the FFL

 

[Diamondback]

How do we know Bob Ferguson isn't a pedo? Prove it, Bob!

 

[FireArm]

the state of washington govt has failed its population