worst place to be

[Gunner3456]

BTW, I heard recently that shortly before he died John Lennon had "converted" to conservative values and regretted his previous leftist bent. Funny, before it became public knowledge he got snipped. Probably just a coincidence.

Yeah right.

I believe that story is true. I've been aware of it for a long time. However, the words in the song are still a valid example of his thinking and the thinking among his peers at the time. Many if not most of his public retained those beliefs to this day.

 

[EZLivin]

There are a lot of powerful people who want a one-world socialist government. [/CENTER]

Yes. But I think we are in error when we try to blame them for all our problems. Some folks here (and on other boards) make them out to be the cause of it all; as if they are behind the scenes pulling all the strings.

Here is another option to consider:

There are at least two groups vying for ultimate power. Call one the "old world" money families. Soros is one of their lackeys, but is not at the top of the rung by any means. Call the other the "new world" money (North America based elite). The "old" and "new" do not get along; they hate each other (it is a struggle for ultimate power, after all). Neither has the goal of totally destroying the system since commerce is necessary to accrue more wealth and power, and it is in their best interest to keep civil unrest in developed societies to a minimum (Africa, parts of Asia, and Latin America does not matter).

It is in the "old world" group's interest to take the USA down a few notches, but not to destroy it (commerce must continue). It is in the "new world" group's interest to maintain US hegemony.

I did not originate the above thoughts; a wealthy individual whom I greatly respect offered that opinion.

Now some additional thoughts (mine):

Unfortunately the "new world" group has a problem; history. We are in that phase of the American cycle where the system is on the brink. A monetary crisis is occurring, which will become a social, economic, and political crisis on a level no living American has witnessed. It is happening in Europe too, but it will affect the US much more due to the $US being the world's reserve currency, and the monumental level of US debt. The US crisis will not end until it has run its course. There is no way to know for certain what the US will look like (socially, politically, economically) until we emerge on the other side. That will be in many years (10-17 probably), so there is a lot of time for many many things to change here. So, with all this going on it is a great time for the "old world" money to knock us down several notches. They didn't cause it; they are not the reason we are imploding, but they certainly can jump on the opportunity to facilitate conforming us to their ideals if we are stupid or weak enough to allow it.

 

[Sasquatchvnv]

"So, with all this going on it is a great time for the "old world" money to knock us down several notches. They didn't cause it; they are not the reason we are imploding, but they certainly can jump on the opportunity to facilitate conforming us to their ideals if we are stupid or weak enough to allow it."

You seriously believe that all the chaos tearing up the worlds economies right now is just random? Amazing coincidence that they are perfectly positioned to profit from and use the misery to increase their grip on the planets resources. How fortuitous for the global scumbags...

 

[Gunner3456]

"So, with all this going on it is a great time for the "old world" money to knock us down several notches. They didn't cause it; they are not the reason we are imploding, but they certainly can jump on the opportunity to facilitate conforming us to their ideals if we are stupid or weak enough to allow it."

You seriously believe that all the chaos tearing up the worlds economies right now is just random? Amazing coincidence that they are perfectly positioned to profit from and use the misery to increase their grip on the planets resources. How fortuitous for the global scumbags...

Good post. Now my thoughts. Those who truly believe in a one-world government would first have to destroy the power of the powerful nations. How better to do it than economically? Those people don't have to be wealthy. They just have to be able to influence/indoctrinate the sheeple. Those would be university professors, MSM editors, those elected or appointed to government and so on.

Get about 1/2 of the people on some kind of government dole (we do) and they will vote their pocketbooks. Cause a breakdown in the security of our borders, and then be lax about letting the illegals vote, and we have that. Allow most government employees to unionize and we have that. Make laws which allow most of our manufactured goods to come from other countries and watch our manufacturing base be destroyed. We have that. This, along with other issues forms a voting block and lobbyists for those who want to destroy our economy.

Just for me, I see it before my very eyes.

 

[Sasquatchvnv]

Good post. Now my thoughts. Those who truly believe in a one-world government would first have to destroy the power of the powerful nations. How better to do it than economically? Those people don't have to be wealthy. They just have to be able to influence/indoctrinate the sheeple. Those would be university professors, MSM editors, those elected or appointed to government and so on.

Get about 1/2 of the people on some kind of government dole (we do) and they will vote their pocketbooks. Cause a breakdown in the security of our borders, and then be lax about letting the illegals vote, and we have that. Allow most government employees to unionize and we have that. Make laws which allow most of our manufactured goods to come from other countries and watch our manufacturing base be destroyed. We have that. This, along with other issues forms a voting block and lobbyists for those who want to destroy our economy.

Just for me, I see it before my very eyes.

Pretty much exactly the way I see it.

 

[EZLivin]

You seriously believe that all the chaos tearing up the worlds economies right now is just random?

Random? My **d, that isn't what I was saying! It is not "random" at all. Where did I imply that it is random? It is a cycle, and people are taking advantage of it for their own ends. Not random at all. History is cyclical, not linear.

 

[Grunwald]

The author of that article should learn the proper terminology There is a huge difference between currency and money.
The dollar is the former.

 

[Sasquatchvnv]

So, if I understand correctly, you are saying that the exploding economies are are NOT due to any outside influence, that the damage is due to some kind of mechanical cycle that just happens this way?

 

[EZLivin]

So, if I understand correctly, you are saying that the exploding economies are are NOT due to any outside influence, that the damage is due to some kind of mechanical cycle that just happens this way? Again - mighty convenient for the global scum.

Let me try it this way: If the NWO, socialist SOBs did not exist, we would still be facing the same set of economic-related problems at this point in our history. Sure it is convenient for them; so they take advantage of it to the best of their ability. They will use circumstances to facilitate their agenda (as will others), so in that sense, yes, they can be responsible for some of what happens along the way. But the overall picture of what we are facing -- "it is just time."

The reason I maintain the position on the inevitability of what we are going through is from my readings of history, and especially the work done by Kondratieff, Martin Armstrong, and Howe and Strauss (especially Armstrong, Howe, and Strauss). These cycles can be traced back even farther than Rome. One fascinating, but also unsettling, thing about it all is that the timing of the cycles (or waves) are so predictable. You can't predict the exact details, the exact events that unfold, but you can determine the timing and the overall picture.

 

[Grunwald]

................... When the President says everyone who earns more than $250K a year must pay way more than their fair share while many or most pay nothing one has to wonder why anyone who is productive stays here at all! $250K in sales for a small business is penny ante stuff, and leaves little after expenses for real income. We need a conservative revolution, we need to stop preaching to the choir and start educating in the schools and Hollywood. The truth is it isn't going to happen. We don't have the time it would take.

It's not $250K in sales, but income.
I am a firm believer in flat tax and conservative fiscal principles, however distortions such as the one above only give ammunition to those who argue the opposite point of view.

 

[Grunwald]

There are a lot of powerful people who want a one-world socialist government. They believe that is the answer to wars and poverty. It is hardly a new movement.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No h ell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

-John Lennon


There's a new world coming
And it's just around the bend
There's a new world coming
This one's coming to an end

There's a new voice calling
You can hear it if you try
And it's growing stronger
With each day that passes by

There's a brand new morning
Rising clear and sweet and free
There's a new day dawning
That belongs to you and me

Yes a new world's coming
The one we've had visions of
Coming in peace, coming in joy
Coming in love

Yes a new world's coming
The one we've had visions of
Coming in peace, coming in joy
Coming in love
Coming in love
Coming in love

-Mama Cass Elliot​

The hilarious thing about that song is that John Lennon was a complete hypocrite. He left England to get away from their 90% tax rate.

 

[Sasquatchvnv]

Let me try it this way: If the NWO, socialist SOBs did not exist, we would still be facing the same set of economic-related problems at this point in our history. Sure it is convenient for them; so they take advantage of it to the best of their ability. They will use circumstances to facilitate their agenda (as will others), so in that sense, yes, they can be responsible for some of what happens along the way. But the overall picture of what we are facing -- "it is just time."

The reason I maintain the position on the inevitability of what we are going through is from my readings of history, and especially the work done by Kondratieff, Martin Armstrong, and Howe and Strauss (especially Armstrong, Howe, and Strauss). These cycles can be traced back even farther than Rome. One fascinating, but also unsettling, thing about it all is that the timing of the cycles (or waves) are so predictable. You can't predict the exact details, the exact events that unfold, but you can determine the timing and the overall picture.

Nevermind.

 

[Gunner3456]

Let me try it this way: If the NWO, socialist SOBs did not exist, we would still be facing the same set of economic-related problems at this point in our history. -snip-

So, if those socialists who thought it "only fair" that everyone should own a house hadn't forced upon us the "community reinvestment act" and forced lenders to make loans which people couldn't afford, there would still have been a housing bubble which burst? We wouldn't still be pouring billions into Freddie/Fannie?

If our leaders hadn't enacted NAFTA and other laws which allowed an unbalanced and unfair trading environment, our manufacturing jobs wouldn't have dropped from 30% of our economy to 11% of our economy, wiping out middle class jobs? Walmart wouldn't be stuffed with things made in China instead of by American workers?

Do you mean that if Johnson's "Great Society" hadn't ushered in a lot of new entitlements, we wouldn't be struggling to pay for them? The government has been pouring money for the "war on poverty" out of our treasury for at least 60 years and guess what? We have more poor now than we did then, except now those folks are dependent and our expenses are set in stone.

Europe has gone mostly socialist. Look at what's really wrong with Greece. Lazy and demanding busterds sucking at the goverment teat, that's what.

What's causing this depression started a long time ago and has escalated to the point that entitlements are breaking nations.

 

[Decker]

What's causing this depression started a long time ago and has escalated to the point that entitlements are breaking nations.

All part of the plan, Komrade. Sad, isn't it?

-d

 

[EZLivin]

I don't disagree with most of what you two said above. The specific events in this crisis (any crisis) are brought about by individuals and groups for sure, and one cannot look ahead 20 years and forecast what events will trigger the crisis. What one can do, however, is look ahead and see when it will be time for a monumental crisis to occur, or time for a boom, or time for a bust, and so forth; all based upon cycles. There is a huge difference between that, and forecasting specific events.

Here is an example based upon the work of Howe and Strauss:

I expect this time of crisis to continue until around 2026. During that time I am expecting the US to be involved in a full-scale war. I am expecting the US to be a markedly different country; (economically, politically, socially) on the other side of the crisis. Think in terms of pre-Revolutionary America verses post-Revolutionary America, or pre-Civil War America verses post-Civil War America, or pre-WWII America verses post-WWII America.

Is such a war a fait accompli? No. Is it likely based upon historic cycles? Yes. So I watch and prepare accordingly.

 

[Sasquatchvnv]

Nevermind.

Don't take any of this personal EZ - I've read enough of your posts to know your hearts in the right place.

 

[EZLivin]

I knew better than to check this thread one more time tonight

...I can't believe in all the business cycle mumbo jumbo - that crap is all made out of whole cloth to make simple issues appear complicated, to confuse and distract the common folk....
Don't take any of the personal EZ - I know your hearts in the right place.

No offense taken. People are wired differently (thankfully). My reasoning and thought processes work best when I construct an overall picture (for lack of a better word) in my mind. The specific details as to "why" are important to know, but once I know them I put them back in the picture and focus my thoughts and efforts once again on the entire canvas. That is how my mind works. That is why I find cycle theory fascinating and valuable. Don't know if that makes sense, but that is what I have to do. I don't like to think of it as one person being "simple" or "common" and another being, uh, the opposite. There is a lot of "simple" and "common" in my background/history; I just have a few quirks that for whatever reason makes me want to delve into some esoteric areas.

 

[Sasquatchvnv]

I knew better than to check this thread one more time tonight



No offense taken. People are wired differently (thankfully). My reasoning and thought processes work best when I construct an overall picture (for lack of a better word) in my mind. The specific details as to "why" are important to know, but once I know them I put them back in the picture and focus my thoughts and efforts once again on the entire canvas. That is how my mind works. That is why I find cycle theory fascinating and valuable. Don't know if that makes sense, but that is what I have to do. I don't like to think of it as one person being "simple" or "common" and another being, uh, the opposite. There is a lot of "simple" and "common" in my background/history; I just have a few quirks that for whatever reason makes me want to delve into some esoteric areas.

THE ELEVENTH MARBLE | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

This makes the most sense to my way of thinking about our economic system.

 

[Thebastidge]

The thing I disagree with is the tendency to chalk it all up to deliberate conspiracies. Yes, people do deliberately unethical things in the cause of their own advantage.

But human beings have a psychological bias towards trying to personalize forces. The more vague and unknowable, the more we try to put a face to it. IT's worth trying to be skeptical towards this bias.

 

[Gunner3456]

The thing I disagree with is the tendency to chalk it all up to deliberate conspiracies. Yes, people do deliberately unethical things in the cause of their own advantage.

But human beings have a psychological bias towards trying to personalize forces. The more vague and unknowable, the more we try to put a face to it. IT's worth trying to be skeptical towards this bias.

I believe there are both. I believe there are people who truly believe in a socialist ideal. "Take from the rich and give to the poor." I hear it every day on the news."Tax the richest 2%, tax the richest 5%" etc. Well, those are the job creators but some people never learn that socialism has never worked. "You never got a job from a poor man."

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher.

Then you have those who truly believe in a one-world government and are working toward that end. They are "everywhere." Before that can be accomplished, the strong nations must be destroyed economically, so the socialists agenda of overburdening us with "entitlements" and destroying our economy suits them just fine. After all, they are socialists too.

Bottom line is that no matter who is doing it - politicians wanting re-election or general national socialists or one-world government types, our economy is being ruined by too much spending on "entitlements," and debt, and being done by a variety of people to suit their own agendas.

It's not an accident or a necessary cycle.