Marauders to be dealt with

[STONER_63]

You mean cops have been doing it wrong the whole time!?!?
I kinda always have to roll my eyes at ultimatums like this. Like well shoot.. I incidentally pointed my gun at ya, now i gotta shoot ya.. Its in the rules!

I assume you're just kidding around here, but just in case: well-trained police only draw their weapons if they have reason to believe there will be a need to use it. There's no 'incidental' pointing of a firearm, unless the individual doing the pointing is untrained.

If that sounds rigid, well - so is shooting somebody. It's a big step, and you might as well take that step intentionally ... rather than incidentally. In most jurisdictions, the officer (or citizen) who can articulate a sound reason for drawing down on somebody (e.g. fear for his life or the lives of others) will not face prosecution.

I don't think we have any actual disagreement here, and I think we can agree that the basic rules of firearms safety are always in effect.

 

[Gunner3456]

Suppose some marauder breaks into my house. Suppose we've defunded the police.

Do I have to call the coroner myself?

 

[308]

Suppose some marauder breaks into my house. Suppose we've defunded the police.

Do I have to call the coroner myself?

Depends
Every situation is different

 

[revjen45]

1) "You can't trust people, only steel."
I trust only the Great Spirit and my rifle."
_Red Cloud

2) "I personally want to Die years after my wife at the hands of a 25 year old jealous husband not smothered by the bodies of my vanquished foes."
I'm holding out to die in a knife fight in a biker bar in the prime of life at age 95.

3) "Cannibal Rats"
Now there's a great name for a band.

4) "I always kinda thought the "Vlad the impaler method" was the MOST intimidating and probably most effective in thwarting "the opposition"
I kinda like necklacing myself. Ask Winnie Mandela.

 

[Longwalkhome]

Entertaining thread, thanks folks. Much much better than TV

 

[Longwalkhome]

I assume you're just kidding around here, but just in case: well-trained police only draw their weapons if they have reason to believe there will be a need to use it. There's no 'incidental' pointing of a firearm, unless the individual doing the pointing is untrained.

If that sounds rigid, well - so is shooting somebody. It's a big step, and you might as well take that step intentionally ... rather than incidentally. In most jurisdictions, the officer (or citizen) who can articulate a sound reason for drawing down on somebody (e.g. fear for his life or the lives of others) will not face prosecution.

I don't think we have any actual disagreement here, and I think we can agree that the basic rules of firearms safety are always in effect.

One day I should tell you a incident where cops pointed guns at me. Can't do it here because it derails the great thread but I have had a close call being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Horatius]

One day I should tell you a incident where cops pointed guns at me. Can't do it here because it derails the great thread but I have had a close call being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

it's about done anyway??? tell us about a fine citizen and how big that gunhole looked!

 

[Longwalkhome]

Its a WTF moment.

 

[SA Shooter]

Interesting reading, thanks for that. Hopefully the plans of the criminals fail.

The only reason their plans will fail will be due to direct action by law abiding citizens.

Whether the actions and statements cited in the article are legit or not, when threatened we must respond.

The declaration, legit or not, reminds me of a response I read when some ANTIFA goon declared they were leaving the cities to attack the suburbs. It was published on the Red State blog and written by Brandon Morse. While it was written with reference to certain events of the day and directed towards the rioters and ANTIFA members who threatened suburbia, it makes some relevant points which apply to this scenario as well.

The response was:

"This isn't an internet tough guy post. This isn't me flexing about my love of the 2nd Amendment and practice thereof. This isn't about how well I can shoot, or what kind of guns I own.

This is a legitimate warning about what will happen.

Riots are popping up in cities over the murder of George Floyd, completely overshadowing the legitimate protests containing peaceful people making a valid point. Some of these rioters, namely those belonging to the group "Antifa," have mentioned that they're going to leave the cities and move their destruction and violence into the suburbs.

I want to be very clear here. I'm not daring anyone to try to come to my home — or anyone else's for that matter — and begin attempting to break in and steal from me or hurt me and my family. Again, this isn't that kind of post. I'd rather you not test this. I'd rather no one get hurt. Period.

That said, I want to lay down some logic.

Rioting in the cities may result in some good times. Windows are smashed, businesses are looted. The police don't have the power to stop all of you and so you may get away with a new pair of Nike's or a 52″ flatscreen. Maybe you'll get arrested, maybe not. You and a few others may get violent with someone trying to speak out against the riots and you'll never see justice for it.

Rioting in a city is, for all intents and purposes, safe for the rioter. Even if you do have a confrontation with police, you're more than likely going to get a few bumps and bruises. At worst, some blood might be drawn from superficial wounds.

The worst that may befall you is if your fellow rioters turn on you for any reason. Then you'll really face serious injury, though more than likely, you're just going to riot, loot, destroy, and go home.

The rules change in the suburbs. You're not robbing a private store and destroying public property anymore. Now you're in home territory. The house is full of valuable possessions and luxuries, yes, but more than that, this location has family members in it. Wives, children, and even beloved pets.

You're in a different playing field now. Here the stakes are a lot higher for the victims of rioters, and as such, the stakes will rise for you. You're no longer just facing an arrest charge or a few bumps and bruises. You're now playing with your life.

I want anyone in Antifa or rioting groups to know that it was estimated that there were 350 million guns in America…back in 2017. Also, that was the conservative estimate. The number is more likely double that, and with more being added to the count every day.

Events big and small cause gun sales to skyrocket. Former President Obama could just glance at a gun and it'd cause people to purchase one. Recently, gun sales shot up thanks to the pandemic due to the idea that supplies may run out and people would have to defend their homes, families, and possessions.

The question you have to ask yourself is whether or not the person on the other side of the door that you're about to try to break down is one of those people who purchased a firearm. Every home you try to gain access to is a roll of the dice, and the odds don't look good for you.

You may be able to get away with throwing rocks at windows, maybe even smash up a few vehicles on the street. You might bust up a few light posts and trash someone's yard. That you'll leave a mess and get away safely is probably true, provided you don't run into an armed homeowner who doesn't know the gun laws in his state well.

But rest assured, they'll be watching your every move and the vast majority of people watching you will have a firearm in their hand, ready to use it. The moment you cross the threshold, your life is forfeit. You start trying to set someone's home on fire, your life is forfeit. You begin attempting to bring harm to residents inside a home, your life is forfeit.

You're far more likely to die in the suburbs than in the city in this situation. You may think moving the riots into neighborhoods is going to play out the same way. It's not. You're at a massive tactical disadvantage. The residents know these streets, the layout of their homes, and the defense capabilities of their residence and themselves.

You don't. Each home will be different, each resident will have different approaches, and each home may have more than one or two gun wielders inside. The goal isn't non-violent control of the situation now. It's not about tear gas and high-pressure hoses now. Now it's deadly force. You can't just wash a bullet wound out and keep going. Even if they don't have guns, they're not going to stop hitting you with a heavy object or stop stabbing and slashing at you with cutlery until you've either been chased out or you stop moving. Understand. The chances of you dying are incredibly high.

Suburbanites have a lot more to lose and are going to be a lot more apt to go to extremes to make sure no harm befalls what they're protecting. Too much rides on it. In the city, you were the pack of lions seeking whom you may devour. In the burbs, you're the gazelle."

 

[revjen45]

Antifa/BLM should realize that a lot of those 1st time gun owners are making their purchase with them specifically in mind.
The only reason they get get away with their hilarious antics in the Great Blue Cesspools is because the Wokester mayors are ordering the police to protect them. Without that they will find a completely different battlespace - where people don't give a rat's azz about George Floyd and won't permit the destruction of their property or the infliction of injury. Imagine how triggered they will be the 1st time one of their intended victims introduces them to #00 (pun intended) and all of a sudden they start falling down with great big holes in them. (Note that in certain cases less lethal ammo like Dragon's Breath may be appropriate. )

 

[Mr_Sheesh]

I think of it this way,

"What would Roof Koreans do?"

They managed to do pretty well, in the city, some years back.

 

[Longwalkhome]

I think of it this way,

"What would Roof Koreans do?"

They managed to do pretty well, in the city, some years back.

My only personal experience with the Korean people is at a Korean BBQ restaurant, mighty good food.

I can understand why they fought to save their places...kimchi....

 

[Mr_Sheesh]

I suspect it just might have been "This is about all I own and I can't afford to lose it", just possibly. And I imagine any one who just wanted to pass by didn't have any problem with them. Seriously effective deterrent there

 

[FourTeeFive]

I think of it this way,

"What would Roof Koreans do?"

They managed to do pretty well, in the city, some years back.

It was one of the few areas in that part of Los Angeles that wasn't burned and looted. Funny how that works.

 

[Dr Prepper]

My only personal experience with the Korean people is at a Korean BBQ restaurant, mighty good food.

I can understand why they fought to save their places...kimchi....

Worth watching.. I have a feeling this video will have ALOT more views here shortly. Apparently umbrellas with knives taped to the tips. So jokers & penguins..
Focus fire on the heavies with guns first and then mop up the rest of these clowns. Also note how many of these are trans. Damn near ALL of them he highlights are trans "shims" as we used to say in the aerospace industry to stay out of HR at leftist Bloeing. (Everett at least some sites are much better than others.)

Apparently i fogrot to link the video

 

[NeSeR13]

That's how you deal with marauders.

 

[Dr Prepper]

Ditto