Wolves in the NW. Thoughts?

[Jamie6.5]

They aren't dogs... literally just a killing machine that is very smart! I'm fine with them being in Yellow stone or Zoo but I don't want to be surrounded by a pack of them while I'm hiking !

Okay let's compromise ! Just send them all to California , then you'll see a turn around in need of guns!

Yup.
A pack of about 8-10 turned loose in Golden Gate park oughta do for starters.

 

[Koda]

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[762mm]

The wolves decimated the Lolo elk herd from 15,000+ To less than 1,000. Harsh winters didn't help the herd but the majority of the damage is from the wolves.

The truth:

http://smokeapackaday.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/1554951.pdf

 

[Geardo]

The wolves decimated the Lolo elk herd from 15,000+ To less than 1,000. Harsh winters didn't help the herd but the majority of the damage is from the wolves.

The truth:

http://smokeapackaday.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/1554951.pdf

Man those pictures are rough.

 

[CoastRange57]

Long as you don't make your living ranching cattle I guess. I was a cowboy for a couple seasons in some various spots in Eastern Oregon and coyotes were dealt with the right way. I got pretty good with a .30-.30 from horseback out to about 150 yards.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Wolf attacks on humans in North America are rare:
List of wolf attacks in North America - Wikipedia

Attacks on livestock is another story.

As others said, I'd be more worried about cougar attacks - those are reasonably rare, but they do happen - be ready with a gun or bear spray. I like the woods to be wild - would not propose killing all the predators.

I've seen many bears, and have been too close to them while hiking - they are normally just as afraid of you as you are of them, but you need to be ready to defend yourself if needed with a gun or bear spray - attacks do happen occasionally. I like having a gun in the tent at night - particularly when you hear something creeping around in the middle of the night and you can't see what it is.

2 legged snakes are a bigger threat. Unfortunately my gun for 2 legged snakes is not the best choice for bear, but might do OK on a cougar or wolf IF I could hit it.

 

[gunsmithkinks]

Id like to learn more about this if you have any sources to share.

Read the Lewis and Clark Journals. When they got out west there wasn't chit for game like deer or elk much to be had. They traded with the Indians on the coast here for salmon and DOG MEAT to eat because of the lack of deer and elk thanks to the predators like wolves and cougars. I have sets of Lewis and Clark journals. It's all this hippy dippy bullchit thinking these days, thinking we need wolves. We need all them in the woods like a hole in the head as the saying goes. Read stories of wolves killing humans in Alaska and Canada , it's no joke. They are killing machines. They're not little Walt Disney puppies to pet. People been watching too many fantasy movies on tv. For many common sense is lacking. It will only take ONE time for a wolf to kill and eat a kid you have or someone's kid, and then people will think and be singing a whole different tune about wanting wolves. I have personally seen wolves while out hunting, they are a force to reckon with, they are not small, and they can move real quick. Same with big cats, which I used to hunt for years. They are strictly meat eaters, and people are... you guessed it....meat?

 

[Geardo]

I will admit I have never heard the views I am seeing here about wolves. Thanks media! /s.

The supposed benefits of wolves are keeping game from lounging in creeks, along with some other stuff I don't remember.

It seems like the best solution is a VERY limited number of wolves, that are vigourosly hunted to maintain their low population density.

 

[Koda]

I will admit I have never heard the views I am seeing here about wolves. Thanks media! /s.

The supposed benefits of wolves are keeping game from lounging in creeks, along with some other stuff I don't remember.

It seems like the best solution is a VERY limited number of wolves, that are vigourosly hunted to maintain their low population density.

Thats all ive been saying. But the anti-wolf folks think that means let them populate outta control and the pro-wolf folks are also anti hunting and like most progressive agendas will never compromise. Ultimately the pro-wolf folks will lose the argument when their plan gets outta control then they will riot and protest when the state allows wolf hunting. Lol

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Again like many things...decisions are made by people who :
Do not have the problem...
Do not have to deal with the consequences of their decisions...
Or those who find a solution that is:
"Good enough"
Not based on science or the actual effect of the decision on the area in question...
Without the understanding that what works in one part of country , may not work in another part....

A balance between wolves and man can be made...but it requires a level of thinking that many folks can not reach.
Andy

 

[Certaindeaf]

Bumpity.. a couple days ago

Woman surrounded by wolves in Central Washington rescued from tree

 

[Superglide]

Bumpity.. a couple days ago

Woman surrounded by wolves in Central Washington rescued from tree

Wow, a whole lot going on there....

1) Helicopter rescue of humans. I feel this may not be cost effective in the future.
2) She scrambled 30 feet up a tree. I may have to join one of those indoor rock climbing gyms soon, cuz that may be asking a lot for my withered old body.
3) She was a research student. I can't wait to read the paper she wrote.
4) Did anyone do an environmental impact study at the base of the tree where the unrestrained fecal release was?

 

[Jamie6.5]

Bumpity.. a couple days ago

Woman surrounded by wolves in Central Washington rescued from tree

Near a popular campground, in the peak period of summer when vacationers are camping.
This will NOT end well.
Soon we'll hear reports of hikers not returning, never to be seen or heard from again.
And some will say it's a mystery.
But some of us will know.

 

[Flymph]

Bumpity.. a couple days ago

Woman surrounded by wolves in Central Washington rescued from tree

I'll start looking to see if a position has opened up.
I guess this gives some insight as to the whereabouts of anyone missing in the area.
These wolves need a new home, I suggest they be let loose downtown Portland. Of course only after getting addicted to meth...

 

[Mike Minihan]

Gray wolf can bite a hunk out of you the size of your hat.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Gray wolf can bite a hunk out of you the size of your hat.

And eat the rest of you before you're finished dying.

 

[Spad]

I think a rattlesnake in their bathroom for these dumb greenies is the solution......Spad

 

[RVTECH]

Again like many things...decisions are made by people who :
Do not have the problem...
Do not have to deal with the consequences of their decisions...

This is spot on - I have often used a similar analogy with similar situations - IE it seems those who have the least experience, involvement, personal investment with something are usually the loudest about protecting or preserving it.

A balance between wolves and man can be made

Maybe so but the women get chased up a tree!
Seriously though I am not so sure if it can. The wolves had their chance (environmentally) and did not make it where other animals (the coyote for example) has not only thrived but has adapted to urban environs and are doing better than ever. Wolves are not the only example of an animal that lost out to encroachment of humans into their world.

 

[tkdguy]

So does this mean that if you are hiking in wilderness area with your pet dog(s) you should be carrying a high capacity 9mm/40 cal semi-auto vs 357 revolver?

 

[Flymph]

So does this mean that if you are hiking in wilderness area with your pet dog(s) you should be carrying a high capacity 9mm/40 cal semi-auto vs 357 revolver?

No, you should be carrying both and a semiauto rifle in 7.62 with 30 rounds... probably in carbine length. Maybe a semiauto shotgun with 10 rounds at least.