Poll: Why not a gun for every citizen?

[American123]

Yea, people don't want to do a lot of things, but that generally makes for a person that isn't very well rounded, and requires others to do things for them. A good education on firearms in an educational setting is a boon to future generations that will value that education, lower gun deaths, and increase a populace of responsible gun owners. Not wanting to do something, or having the responsibility to do something usually doesn't stop people from having to do them to be a active part of society.

This type of thought is dangerous to the notion of individual freedom. Once again, a post that smells eerily familiar to the thought process of those who would wish to eliminate the 2nd amendment.

The American people do not need, nor require, additional mandates by the government what to participate in and when.

Privat entities already provide instruction in firearms use and safe handling without getting the government involved and if the liberal group think would stop demonizing the activity of safe gun handling far more people would actively pursue the knowledge and skills on there own, without encroaching in their freedom of choice how to spend their time and activities to engage in.

Where you seem to error in your thinking is the unintended consequences that would stem from tasking the government with mandating training with and ownership of an item.

This strikes a scary resemblance to some type of socialist/communist thought process. If the government can mandate you own something and also tax you to pay for the purchase of that item, what have you now created is a precedence that the government can force citizens to buy items and simultaneously tax them for said ownership. Alarm bells ringing......

 

[Ownerus]

Hmmm....Depends on how you define "legal American citizen". In some circles "no human is illegal". Might produce a real house cleaning if we let nature take it's course. I know people who should never have access to a firearm. Schizophrenics. Fortunately, they're also not motivated to acquire one via other means. An interesting thought. I was gonna ask in the other thread if it means I get my own F4 Phantom..then I wasn't sure if I wanted a tank instead.. or a Cobra gunship...WTH, dare to want it all!

Don't think I want gov providing everyone a gun but I would favor firearms training. At an early age as you say. For one thing, it would take away the "forbidden fruit" aspect. I'm not sure there's any public institution that's up to the task though. I was taught by my Dad, I taught my son. The amount of time to do it properly might make an institutional version impractical. The military does it,... sorta. But definitely worth some thought. It's always annoyed me that the "cure" for things like AIDS or drug abuse was education but the solution to "gun violence" was ignorance. Done early enough and properly it can become a badge of honor that's carefully guarded against stupidity. Of course then it runs afoul of a basic governmental precept. Government doesn't want anything that works. That fixes problems and (gasp!) reduces the need for government.

 

[FireArm]

Pass,
im sure i wont want the FEDs gun, probably have some locating device in it, round counter, and only fire if my fingers were holding it. . .

 

[SlimPickins]

This type of thought is dangerous to the notion of individual freedom. Once again, a post that smells eerily familiar to the thought process of those who would wish to eliminate the 2nd amendment.

The American people do not need, nor require, additional mandates by the government what to participate in and when.

Privat entities already provide instruction in firearms use and safe handling without getting the government involved and if the liberal group think would stop demonizing the activity of safe gun handling far more people would actively pursue the knowledge and skills on there own, without encroaching in their freedom of choice how to spend their time and activities to engage in.

Where you seem to error in your thinking is the unintended consequences that would stem from tasking the government with mandating training with and ownership of an item.

This strikes a scary resemblance to some type of socialist/communist thought process. If the government can mandate you own something and also tax you to pay for the purchase of that item, what have you now created is a precedence that the government can force citizens to buy items and simultaneously tax them for said ownership. Alarm bells ringing......

I'd refer you to my response to Andy, and add that I'm in no way suggesting an over night requirement, or forcing of anything. I'm suggesting a long term campaign to change how people think, are educated, and feel about guns. I'd appreciate you not taking my words out of context without proof of my actually say those words. Thank you

 

[notazombie]

Definitely not, for profit social services/land services/veteran services is asking for blatant abuse. I'd have you show me proof of this if you truly believe it, otherwise I find that a ridiculous statement.

Proof? Free market competition. Read a book.

 

[SlimPickins]

Hmmm....Depends on how you define "legal American citizen". In some circles "no human is illegal". Might produce a real house cleaning if we let nature take it's course. I know people who should never have access to a firearm. Schizophrenics. Fortunately, they're also not motivated to acquire one via other means. An interesting thought. I was gonna ask in the other thread if it means I get my own F4 Phantom..then I wasn't sure if I wanted a tank instead.. or a Cobra gunship...WTH, dare to want it all!

Don't think I want gov providing everyone a gun but I would favor firearms training. At an early age as you say. For one thing, it would take away the "forbidden fruit" aspect. I'm not sure there's any public institution that's up to the task though. I was taught by my Dad, I taught my son. The amount of time to do it properly might make an institutional version impractical. The military does it,... sorta. But definitely worth some thought. It's always annoyed me that the "cure" for things like AIDS or drug abuse was education but the solution to "gun violence" was ignorance. Done early enough and properly it can become a badge of honor that's carefully guarded against stupidity. Of course then it runs afoul of a basic governmental precept. Government doesn't want anything the works. That fixes problems and (gasp!) reduces the need for government.

You have the documentation to prove it.

I have no problem with .22 rifles given to every student as a starter gun. But yes, I like a lot of what you're saying.

 

[American123]

Definitely not, for profit social services/land services/veteran services is asking for blatant abuse. I'd have you show me proof of this if you truly believe it, otherwise I find that a ridiculous statement.

What a freaking joke, now I know the koolade has been drank too long, it is through the incompetence of the government that our veterans experience what has documented to be some of the worst care at the hands of the VA hospitals. It has even been proven that a common practice at the VA was to delay care routinely so that patients died before a expensive service/surgery was provided.

The private sector does everything better than the government does. All innovation, efficiency, and technological breakthroughs have been at the hands of primarily the private sector even in many cases for the government.

 

[SlimPickins]

Proof? Free market competition. Read a book.

Cool, cool, cool. Thanks

 

[SlimPickins]

What a freaking joke, now I know the koolade has been drank too long, it is through the incompetence of the government that our veterans experience what has documented to be some of the worst care at the hands of the VA hospitals. It has even been proven that a common practice at the VA was to delay care routinely so that patients died before a expensive service/surgery was provided.

The private sector does everything better than the government does. All innovation, efficiency, and technological breakthroughs have been at the hands of primarily the private sector even in many cases for the government.

We disagree. But I appreciate your opinion none the less, have a great evening

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Of course not, it's a process that would have to be politically marketed in a way that shows the long term benefits. Obviously nothing happens over night, but a constant program ran for a decade in which all we're really losing is a few high price military items from taxes can change an attitude of a nation on guns.

We are not talking of this...
The OP is about the government giving a gun and "training " to each US citizen...
So again...some folks don't want to own a gun...and they should not be made , "encouraged" or pushed into gun ownership.
And that is just fine....
We have the right to own a gun...or not as we see fit.

Now if we are going to talk " training"....Then...
Make it a elective class in school ....a firearms safety course...no politics...just a course teaching :
Safety...
How a firearm operates...
Basic ballistics....
That is something I could agree with....
Andy

 

[SlimPickins]

We are not talking of this...
The OP is about the government giving a gun and "training " to each US citizen...
So again...some folks don't want to own a gun...and they should not be made , "encouraged" or pushed into gun ownership.
And that is just fine....
We have the right to own a gun...or not as we see fit.

Now if we are going to talk " training"....Then...
Make a elective class in school ....a firearms safety course...no politics...just a course teaching :
Safety...
How a firearm operates...
Basic ballistics....
That is something I could agree with....
Andy

It's as I said, an option, not something forced. And I don't see a .22 rifle being given produced through a major manufacturer through a government contract to be used in educational courses done in public schools is in any way negative. It's all elective, no one is forced, but it is a public service. So hopefully that clears up the false idea I'm talking about anyone being forced, this is about changing how we think about guns over as long as a decade of consistent education, and gun use by Americans.

 

[American123]

Well, I doubt any of us will all be able to work forever, or rely upon some independent wealth social services that help with that seem to be a positive in our society. As well as helping those that may not be able to always afford health insurance such as single moms, the disabled, etc. Those seem to be positive intrusions of the government. The government takes pretty decent care of our national parks, and other nature treasures...seems there's some good things the government does with what you may consider intrusion.

The terrible unaffordable care act hurt more Americans than it helped.

Being fined for not having health insurance and that Obama debacle causing insurance rates to skyrocket higher than they've ever been. Real successful....

We disagree. But I appreciate your opinion none the less, have a great evening

Evading the fact by simply stating, "I disagree"

Doesn't reduce the validity of the original statement.

Look at any government program and you will see it bleeding money, run unsustainably and unaccountably.

No private sector company could operate the way the government does and still remain in business for any respectable length of time.

It is by being accountable for failure that the private sector innovates, adapts, and performs better than the government does and always will.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

we know where our tax dollars have been going, Iran, N Korea, Hezbollah, Clinton's, Framing of the president of the USA, China, climate control, gun control, rising crime costs from sanctuary policies, crippling costs of the southern border invasion from the democrat catch & release invitation etc etc etc
the new governing body doesnt want to tax us to death unlike the demorats that already want to repeal those lousy crumbs that were thrown our way, crumbs yet that want those crumbs back
I'll let the new guys in town have a wack at it thanks

your posts dont seem popular

 

[SlimPickins]

You've got to be joking, the government is


Evading the fact by simply stating, "I disagree"

Doesn't reduce the validity of the original statement.

Look at any government program and you will see it bleeding money, run unsustainably and unaccountably.

No private sector company could operate the way the government does and still remain in business for any respectable length of time.

It is by being accountable for failure that the private sector innovates, adapts, and performs better than the government does and always will.

I appreciate your attempts to convince me of your point of view. Though I agree that free market is a wonderful thing, and does indeed create some fantastic contributions to our society, it isn't a solve all for a proactive government trying to balance helping the weakest, and least fortunate of us while allowing for open opportunity for all. I'll never hand over my freedom of choice to corporations.

 

[SlimPickins]

we know where our tax dollars have been going, Iran, N Korea, Hezbollah, Clinton's, Framing of the president of the USA, China, climate control, gun control, rising crime costs from sanctuary policies, crippling costs of the southern border invasion from the democrat catch & release invitation etc etc etc
the new governing body doesnt want to tax us to death unlike the demorats that already want to repeal those lousy crumbs that were thrown our way, crumbs yet that want those crumbs back
I'll let the new guys in town have a wack at it thanks

your posts dont seem popular

Heh, I'm too old to care for popularity.

As I said it would only cost a small cut to a pre existing program, or set of military equipment so the argument you'll be paying more taxes is moot.

 

[No_Regerts]

Gun training by the geniuses that brought us Common Core. Right...

I have carried .gov provided weapons for the last 14 years. I'd provide my own wares if I could.

 

[notazombie]

I wish there was a 3rd option for most disjointed and hilarious thread of the day. I'd vote for that.

 

[SlimPickins]

Gun training by the geniuses that brought us Common Core. Right...

I have carried .gov provided weapons for the last 14 years. I'd provide my own wares if I could.

I imagine the job would be contracted out to retired military personal hoping to mix those skills with being a public educator. Sorry to hear your cynicism with our retired veterans.

Well, as I said hopefully there would be a military contract for major manufacturers to assure quality guns.

 

[SlimPickins]

I wish there was a 3rd option for most disjointed and hilarious thread of the day. I'd vote for that.

Glad I could give you a good laugh

 

[Ownerus]

.....
your posts dont seem popular

I don't know that we always want popular posts. Brainstorming works by throwing out ideas. Yeah some of them may be stupid but if they cause us to stop and reconsider, it might be worthwhile. I've seen this work in an engineering design environment. Lots of ideas on the chalk board. Some wild, some stupid, many in jest. Good things resulted.