What happens if a type of gun you own becomes illegal?

[OutlawHoss]

The general non-compliance I think is very indicative, but that may give rise to issues down the line when Obama the IVth is on the throne and decides to more actively enforce (or pressure states to) the ban conditions.
Notwithstanding that, I think there is a regional culture component to it, e.g. if you, hypothetically bring your banned weapon to a range near PDX for example, that's a pretty much asking to be made an example of (not that I agree with it, of course) versus being out on some public land where you're less likely to see an LEO. Even then given the state of tensions at any given time, a lone LEO in the outback may decide not to enforce a firearm ban by his/her lonesome, or even is sympathetic.
Anecdotally, a friend and I were out cleaning our long range rifles in his yard after a shoot at the range, and a LEO pulled up. He said he got a call about 'people with guns' in the area (yeah, I know; this is in Ashland after all). He immediately was friendly and we talked about guns for a while (I got his take on his department issued Glock 22 and how he liked it, what ammo they issued, etc. which being completely inexperienced with Glocks, I found interesting). We talked quite a while, very friendly. As he left he said, in a hushed, confiding kind of way, "don't ever give up your guns, you understand?" I think my friend's face and mine just about dropped . . . My paranoid mind was confounded; was this a ruse? Did he really mean it? I honestly don't remember what I said in response, other than a bewildered nod in agreement.

 

[AMProducts]

Honestly, all this stuff just goes underground. The LE's have a pretty good hold of the cities, but out in the country nearly everyone ignores these regs. Even in california in the late 90's and early 2000's when there were all kinds of federal feature bans these made no difference. California just got done passing another tax... I mean gun grab (really, look at the regs it's all about padding the state coffers and pacifying inner city progressives).

A ban just makes things go underground, maybe here and there a few people get popped. Most of them are already criminals and were going to be arrested for something else and end up with a sentencing enhancement.

The real problem, IIRC the new california laws, adds a bunch of new classes of gun to the assault weapons roster. Yet at the same time they are also requiring the prompt reporting of a gun theft. So if you report that you had an illegal firearm and it's stolen in compliance with that law, you're admitting you had an illegal firearm. Seems like a 5th amendment case right there.

The big difficulty is that when you create a whole new class of criminal out of middle class americans, is it amps up the adversarial relationship between the citizens and the police, eventually the police are going to get sick of it, and then where will we be? It's not going to look like europe, it's going to look like Aleppo.

 

[OutlawHoss]

What's Aleppo?
(I couldn't resist)

 

[nammac]

What's Aleppo?




Sorry, I tried to stop myself... I just couldn't... Never let a good opportunity go to waste!!!

 

[nammac]

What's Aleppo?
(I couldn't resist)

Dang, you beat me to it!!!!

 

[AMProducts]

What's Aleppo?
(I couldn't resist)

it's how you scuttle your campaign, as if running with Bill Weld wasn't enough to send you to the bottom.

 

[OutlawHoss]

20 odd years ago, admitting to smoking pot would of damaged a campaign. Question is: does smoking pot make you stupid, or do you have to be stupid to smoke pot?
(I say that mostly in jest; my Mom has received a lot of genuine relief from her illness by smoking pot. She's not stupid either!)

 

[Doc In UPlace]

What happened to the thread?

So the ban thing is a process. The historic 'warm-up' has been a permit scheme, where in Step One a permit becomes necessary to own a certain "style" of weapon, based on mostly cosmetic characteristics but almost always including detachable magazines.

THEN, once you get a good crop of "permit holders", a new law is passed, Step Two, let's call it, that requires the turn-in or its removal from the state.

Since we don't have this 'permit' stuff (yet) in Oregon and Washington but California is DEEP into the process: click here, visualizing this turn-in is difficult for some folks here to imagine.

That's why some folks think there's no way there could be a confiscation because "people won't turn 'em in." The omission in this logic is, of course, the record of ownership the state sets up with Step One, the "permit' scheme.

The permit deal is then imposed on all transfers after the Step One law is passed, and that might be the time frame in which the previously owned items could go rafting or fishing for the Tragic Accident wherein the items sink into Lake Louise, never to be seen again.

 

[h4344]

What happened to the thread?

So the ban thing is a process. The historic 'warm-up' has been a permit scheme, where in Step One a permit becomes necessary to own a certain "style" of weapon, based on mostly cosmetic characteristics but almost always including detachable magazines.

THEN, once you get a good crop of "permit holders", a new law is passed, Step Two, let's call it, that requires the turn-in or its removal from the state.

Since we don't have this 'permit' stuff (yet) in Oregon and Washington but California is DEEP into the process: click here, visualizing this turn-in is difficult for some folks here to imagine.

That's why some folks think there's no way there could be a confiscation because "people won't turn 'em in." The omission in this logic is, of course, the record of ownership the state sets up with Step One, the "permit' scheme.

The permit deal is then imposed on all transfers after the Step One law is passed, and that might be the time frame in which the previously owned items could go rafting or fishing for the Tragic Accident wherein the items sink into Lake Louise, never to be seen again.

Its on fire now......ITS BURNING!!!

Why must things be complicated read the fine print of the constitution and be safe and have fun. Pretty much got the answer i was looking for in the first few answers

 

[Nightcrawler]

Nammac is 100% correct! As has been seen in other states where Bans have happened, nothing can "force" you to turn in any thing! Heck, we had the Mag Ban where I live a few years ago, and besides a few folks that got popped, nothing actually happened as far as confiscation or mandated turn ins. They cant do much of any thing or maintain the ability to keep doing any thing long enough to make any sort of ban stick! And besides, many of us will not comply, so it's a moot point!

can ya say 'pre- I 594'

 

[ZmanZ]

I seen it asked above would it be a poor choice
to continue buying AR platforms ?
knowing I may have a accident and loose it ,
or cant shoot it at a public range ?
seems like buying a car and cant drive it next
year

 

[ZmanZ]

I dont trust the grandfather in idea either

 

[Brutus57]

Dang, you beat me to it!!!!

ALEPPO is an acronym: A Libertarian Excluded, Prevented Presidential Office

Brutus Out

 

[Gene Rojas]

I'm in the process of building my second AR-15- I love the design of this rifle and I plan to own a few of them, as well as some larger calibers. I won't be in CommieFornia long enough for any bans to matter to me- I will have moved by then and of course will take my firearms with me.

But what about those unfortunate California AR-15 or AK-47 owners once the inevitable ban on these rifles eventually becomes a CA law and the Goosestepping Socialist Democrat politicians demand the guns be surrendered? Most Law enforcement agencies have gone on record saying they will not enforce these laws- but aside from a few blatant gun owners parading those rifles and getting them seized by LEOs, I'll bet most law-abiding citizens will ignore the laws, hide them, or sell them off. The reality is there will be no mass seizure of these weapons- if any law enforcement agency tried, the backlash would be obvious. I see the Nazis in Sacramento creating so many gun laws and creating so many additional fees to own these sport rifles, that gun owners would eventually get sick of paying for them, and end up not paying them. Then they would suspend your driver's license, send you citations and fines with penalties, etc. When that happens it would be time for California gun owners to march on Sacaramento, armed.

Geno

 

[CamoDeafie]

Look at Australia for an example of how the Antis want to go towards. Also the UK (Tac....). Hey Tac, is it true that there are technically no public lands over there, but Crown Land?

 

[oknow]

Was a bunch of posting I will not comply pre mandated bgc's now all you see is meet at this ffl. It will be the same for a lot of people if there is a ban. Big talk now and compliance when/if it happens

 

[Who The F R U]

Five word's John Bad Elk.

 

[fredball]

Lost them in a boating accident

 

[etrain16]

Was a bunch of posting I will not comply pre mandated bgc's now all you see is meet at this ffl. It will be the same for a lot of people if there is a ban. Big talk now and compliance when/if it happens

What people say online (meet at FFL, for example) and what they actually do can be very different things. Why would anyone publicly advertise something they know is against the law? I am pretty certain many people are ignoring SB941, they're just not stupid enough to post it on a public forum for all the world to see - kind of the definition of a 'black market'.

 

[joken]

New Jersey has made it so.

• Anyone who owned an AR-15 or other assault rifle before May 1, 1990, can keep the weapon so long as they registered the weapon before May 1, 1990, and the state Attorney General's office determined it was used for target shooting.

Everybody else with an AR-15 was notified that their rifle had to be either taken out of the state or turned in to be destroyed (so they say anyway.)

Although Connecticut and New York are bad, as far as I know New Jersey is the worst case of an AW ban law.

So far.

New Jersey has a Republican Governor too FWIW. Christie is no friend of the 2A