National Thoughts on Shockwave/Tac-14/et. al. legality, etc.

[RVTECH]

Aw heck, just find a cheepee Mossberg 500 and whack the barrel and butt stock off, shape some finger grooves in the pistol grip and you have a fine shorty shotgun!

 

[The Heretic]

Aw heck, just find a cheepee Mossberg 500 and whack the barrel and butt stock off, shape some finger grooves in the pistol grip and you have a fine shorty shotgun!

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And you can't take it into WA state or California and a few other places. You also have to pay for a tax stamp and tell the ATF when you take it out of state.

I was looking at the Mossberg site and I see where they offer a Shockwave with an 18.5" barrel now:

590 Shockwave – 7-Shot

Features the Shockwave signature bird’s-head grip, uniquely shaped to minimize felt recoil. Also includes the features that have made Mossberg pump-actions the choice for millions worldwide: ambidextrous safety, dual extractors, positive steel-to-steel lockup, twin action bars, and a smooth...

www.mossberg.com

So even if these "firearms" are outlawed, this would just become a "shotgun" since the barrel is a legal length for a shotgun - I assume. Still looking for an 18.5" barrel for my remaining Shockwave. As I mentioned before, the Shockwaves do not have anything on them that says they are a "firearm" or Shackwave vs. a "shotgun", so LEOs and LGSs do not know they are a "firearm". Plan accordingly - I would guess there may be some out there who don't know about this classification.

 

[RVTECH]

And you can't take it into WA state or California and a few other places. You also have to pay for a tax stamp and tell the ATF when you take it out of state.

I actually owned the SG in the pic I posted. I won it in a card game.

It was legal - not tax stamp required and I had no plans to take it to WA or CA !

It is now back to a standard length with a full stock.

 

[The Heretic]

I actually owned the SG in the pic I posted. I won it in a card game.

It was legal - not tax stamp required and I had no plans to take it to WA or CA !

It is now back to a standard length with a full stock.

Yeah, I thought you meant reduce the barrel below 18.5"

 

[FourTeeFive]

I see a lot of dealers and gunsmiths who don't understand the laws, so they just say no. I try to avoid those places. Some of the silly stuff I've been told is pretty funny.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Since I live in WA and can't have a true SBS I kind of want to get one of these. Just because.

Mossberg 590A1 Compact Cruiser 51664 | Westman Ammo & Gunsmith LLC

Mossberg 590A1 Compact Cruiser 51664 for sale from Westman Ammo & Gunsmith LLC.

www.westmanammogunsmith.com

 

[The Heretic]

Since I live in WA and can't have a true SBS I kind of want to get one of these. Just because.

Mossberg 590A1 Compact Cruiser 51664 | Westman Ammo & Gunsmith LLC

Mossberg 590A1 Compact Cruiser 51664 for sale from Westman Ammo & Gunsmith LLC.

www.westmanammogunsmith.com

Interesting. I did not know about this variation of AOW and how it works around the WA state SBS laws.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Interesting. I did not know about this variation of AOW and how it works around the WA state SBS laws.

There are a bunch of different AOW available for a $5 tax stamp. It just has to start life as a unassigned receiver to fit under that category. Cadiz and now Fostech made their own Saiga-12 receivers to produce this type of semi-auto AOW:

FosTech Origin-12 SABS Semi-Automatic Breaching Shotgun (AOW) - Black| 12ga | 9.75" Barrel | 2nd Amendment Wholesale

 

[FourTeeFive]

This is getting into an interesting legal territory:

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[Ridge Walker]

This is getting into an interesting legal territory:

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That looks down right useful.

 

[MobileTaylor]

So can an AOW be carried concealed in a backpack in Oregon?

 

[The Heretic]

So can an AOW be carried concealed in a backpack in Oregon?

I doubt it. Certainly not loaded - an AOW is not a handgun.

 

[Knebel]

One can just shake their head... what an insane maze of regulations

 

[po18guy]

Personally, I hold that the Remington V3 TAC-13 is the finest, most maneuverable, most manipulable close range defense weapon ever produced. It was clearly very well researched by Remington, and if their turmoil ever settles, I hope that they sell a bunch.

 

[TTSX]

I doubt it. Certainly not loaded - an AOW is not a handgun.

I often find myself wondering why they don't just put barely there "rifling" in these barrels. Probably because you can't have a pistol actually chambered in shotgun loads? Exactly why the judge is a 45 colt, right? I have a single shot 9mm which might as well not have rifling but it's technically "there" I suppose...

 

[The Heretic]

I often find myself wondering why they don't just put barely there "rifling" in these barrels. Probably because you can't have a pistol actually chambered in shotgun loads? Exactly why the judge is a 45 colt, right? I have a single shot 9mm which might as well not have rifling but it's technically "there" I suppose...

Anything (except BP firearms and a few other exceptions like shotguns, and break open elephant guns in certain chamberings?) that has rifling and a bore over ~.50" is a "destructive device".

 

[Dinglenutz]

The rules are a masterpiece of law school maze-making but for instance, we can't have this either:

 

[Ridge Walker]

The rules are a masterpiece of law school maze-making but for instance, we can't have this either:

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Surprised that they didn't do it in 32 ga instead, and develop a ammo line to to feed the....

 

[MobileTaylor]

I doubt it. Certainly not loaded - an AOW is not a handgun.

Not to derail the conversation, but I'm trying to understand the law. What about an AR15 pistol, or B&T APC9 pistol, or H&K SP5 pistol? Can those be in a backpack? Is there a different definition for handgun and pistol?

 

[The Heretic]

Not to derail the conversation, but I'm trying to understand the law. What about an AR15 pistol, or B&T APC9 pistol, or H&K SP5 pistol? Can those be in a backpack? Is there a different definition for handgun and pistol?

Legally a pistol is a handgun. But an AOW is Any Other Weapon and not considered to be a handgun with regards to a concealed carry permit - as far as I know. I can't think of any NFA weapon that is legal to carry "concealed" (like a handgun is with a permit) - but I could be totally wrong.

That said, when I think of a "pistol", I think of a semi-auto or a single shot, not a revolver. But I have been told I am wrong - that a pistol is any handgun.