Taco Bell Customer Shoots Out Drive-Thru Window Over Her Order: Police

[Andy54Hawken]

ANDY54HAWKIN,

The most effective change of any organization is from the inside. It takes dedication and a strong spine.

Andy, I'm sure you're doing a great job despite the restrictions you have to endure.

Thank you...
Andy

 

[Kruel J]

No...I am the Dean at a public school.

With that said...the comments I read on the forum by some folks , making blanket and assuming statements against schools and those who work in education is disheartening....
And makes me not want to be a member here....or at the least , not take part in the forum as much.
Andy

Unfortunately Andy there are some in the education system that think it's their job to raise the kids and force their beliefs on them. My mom was a school teacher for 30 years. I fully support our educators that EDUCATE.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Unfortunately Andy there are some in the education system that think it's their job to raise the kids and force their beliefs on them. My mom was a school teacher for 30 years. I fully support our educators that EDUCATE.

I am not saying there ain't no teachers / educators who do that or worse....

What I dislike is the broad blanket statements and general assuming that some on the forum here use against all educators and the public school system...

Doing so , is no damn different than saying all gun owners_______ insert favorite insult here.
And that is what is disheartening and makes me want not be here so often.
Andy

 

[solv3nt]

all gun owners spend too much money on guns.
Andy

Yup, that about sums it up.

 

[Alexx1401]

I am not saying there ain't no teachers / educators who do that or worse....

What I dislike is the broad blanket statements and general assuming that some on the forum here use against all educators and the public school system...

Doing so , is no damn different than saying all gun owners_______ insert favorite insult here.
And that is what is disheartening and makes me want not be here so often.
Andy

I hear you there Andy and I am probably often guilty of that. Can't speak for all but when I make a sloppy statement about the sad state of the public education system its out of frustration. I know full well there are of course still a hell of a lot of people in it that are just as mad as I am at what has happened. It just gets me so damn angry when I see the results in young people who have a paper saying they are a grad but, almost can't read and write. They are being set up to fail and then be forever dependent on someone. Sadly its often easy to see that many are doing this to them because they want to control them.

 

[solv3nt]

I am not saying there ain't no teachers / educators who do that or worse....

What I dislike is the broad blanket statements and general assuming that some on the forum here use against all educators and the public school system...

Doing so , is no damn different than saying all gun owners_______ insert favorite insult here.
And that is what is disheartening and makes me want not be here so often.
Andy

We still love you Andy, even if you are one of those dirty educators

 

[Lennie]

Thank you.
I do my best , working with what I got now , to make for a better tomorrow.
Andy

I wish folks wouldn't blame schools and teachers for people who violate the law. We have many great and honorable people involved in education. The problem is the parents. Many parents have defaulted on their parenting responsibility and then blame the schools, or other groups, for their children's failures. However, some kids with good parents sometimes go astray and it is often a choice the kid makes.

A simple fact attests to this. The number one common denominator of incarcerated felons, "They grew up without a father in the home". With that said, we must remember the wonderful mothers who successfully raise their children.

Life would be wonderful if children came with an owners and operating manual.

One of the great teachers in the last century stated, "No other success can compensate for failure in the home".

I have friends who teach, and they all express for gratitude for the students who have good parents.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

We still love you Andy, even if you are one of those dirty educators

I may be dirty....but my firearms are always clean....
Andy

 

[Alexx1401]

I wish folks wouldn't blame schools and teachers for people who violate the law. We have many great and honorable people involved in education. The problem is the parents. Many parents have defaulted on their parenting responsibility and then blame the schools, or other groups, for their children's failures. However, some kids with good parents sometimes go astray and it is often a choice the kid makes.

A simple fact attests to this. The number one common denominator of incarcerated felons, "They grew up without a father in the home". With that said, we must remember the wonderful mothers who successfully raise their children.

Life would be wonderful if children came with an owners and operating manual.

One of the great teachers in the last century stated, "No other success can compensate for failure in the home".

Yes the way the Government has worked to destroy the family is the biggest cause of this mess. Sadly a LOT of this starts in so many public schools. The kids are taught that they are not responsible for anything they do. When they fail a class they are too often patted on the back and told good job, you tried. It was not your fault. Do this long enough and you see what you get. Adults who have no life skills and no work ethic. So since they were told for years others did this too them they feel fine with turning to crime. Then the same people often come along and excuse that, over and over. Until they finally do something that can no longer be excused and their life is ruined.

 

[Kruel J]

I am not saying there ain't no teachers / educators who do that or worse....

What I dislike is the broad blanket statements and general assuming that some on the forum here use against all educators and the public school system...

Doing so , is no damn different than saying all gun owners_______ insert favorite insult here.
And that is what is disheartening and makes me want not be here so often.
Andy

Well said Andy.

 

[Diamondback]

Sadly, you could have an army of Jaime Escalantes seeing to a child's education through his/her entire academic career, and even that would only be of limited help offsetting a toxic home environment.

 

[The Heretic]

Someone who fires a gun related to fast food availability is representative of the reason why certain segments of society will always be losers - when you are that dumb, your life is for the most part destined to minimum wage employment, living as a welfare queen, or crime.

All the Karens I have seen in vids on youtube don't seem to be "welfare queens", they seem to be middle->upper middle class white middle to upper middle aged self-entitled mothers I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

That said, I have not seen many who would shoot up a Taco Bell, they would just ask for the manager. But I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[American123]

Sadly, you could have an army of Jaime Escalantes seeing to a child's education through his/her entire academic career, and even that would only be of limited help offsetting a toxic home environment.

And even then, the toxic liberal school system would eventually push those teachers out just like they did to Jaime Escalante.

The hive mind won't stand for teachers who stand out for doing a better job.

 

[American123]

All the Karens I have seen in vids on youtube don't seem to be "welfare queens", they seem to be middle->upper middle class white middle to upper middle aged self-entitled mothers I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

That said, I have not seen many who would shoot up a Taco Bell, they would just ask for the manager. But I wouldn't put it past them.

So you're comparing middle aged white women who most likely are self sufficient or at least married to someone who is and are complaining, with person who most likely has been on welfare since birth and shot up a taco bell with an illegally possessed gun over a fast food disagreement…

I'm not even in the slightest bit understanding what you were trying to do with that comparison. Care to elaborate?

 

[The Heretic]

So you're comparing middle aged white women who most likely are self sufficient or at least married to someone who is and are complaining, with person who most likely has been on welfare since birth and shot up a taco bell with an illegally possessed gun over a fast food disagreement…

I'm not even in the slightest bit understanding what you were trying to do with that comparison. Care to elaborate?

I am comparing their self-entitled fly off the handle about the least little thing attitude - yes.

The only difference IMO is the amount of escalation. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if the Taco shooter saw a Karen vid and decided that she too was going to try to be just as infamous.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

And even then, the toxic liberal school system would eventually push those teachers out just like they did to Jaime Escalante.

The hive mind won't stand for teachers who stand out for doing a better job.

The above is an example of what I dislike....

I used to be a Behavior Specialist...I worked with students who had behavior issues.
I was damn good at it.

For my work and efforts...I was promoted to being the Dean at my school.
Now I still work with students who have behavior issues....as well as being able to make polices.
I get to work from within to make a better change for our students.

Now...again...I ain't saying that the education system is without flaws..
And i know that there are teachers who are downright harmful to students and their well being.

But the above quoted blanket statement , just isn't true of everyone in education or every school in the system.
Andy

 

[Diamondback]

@Andy54Hawken Would you agree with the assessment in Jerry Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy? (Basically, the problems are less the front-line "trying to make things happen" folks than the rear-echelon permanent-management class and the Professional Consultant Class?)

Personally, I've long thought going back to my own time as a sub summer-school para in my late college days* that Principals, Asst Principals and above should be required to spend at least one year every five years rotating back to a classroom...
*at that time, an Associate's was all the cred you needed to sub-para on summer-school programs

 

[Andy54Hawken]

@Andy54Hawken Would you agree with the assessment in Jerry Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy? (Basically, the problems are less the front-line "trying to make things happen" folks than the rear-echelon permanent-management class and the Professional Consultant Class?)

Personally, I've long thought going back to my own time as a sub summer-school para in my late college days* that Principals, Asst Principals and above should be required to spend at least one year every five years rotating back to a classroom...
*at that time, an Associate's was all the cred you needed to sub-para on summer-school programs

Yes indeed....
Its always "nice" when someone who hasn't done my job ever...or hasn't done it recently...wants to tell me just how to do my job....
Andy

 

[OldBroad44]

I am not sure if the "food" has changed or my taste has changed. When I was young and always on the run I lived on fast food. TB was one of the rotation I liked enough to keep coming back. Would always dress up the stuff with plenty of spice but, it seemed fine. Now? I have to REALLY be hungry to bother. Even then I often feel I wasted my money. Damn stuff is almost all so expensive I could damn near go to a site down place for the same price and I end up tossing a lot of what I buy as I just can't eat it. I have to guess its the meat as when I order some kind of chicken at fast places it seems "OK", so I have to guess they are doing something to ground beef to make it taste like nothing good. After all how do you screw up things like a burger or a burrito?

@Alexx1401, the flavor of ordinary browned ground beef used to be rich and beefy when I was a kiddie. Many changes have been made in how beef is raised, finished, and cured since then that have profoundly altered the flavor as well as healthful properties of the meat.To get rich delicious beefy flavor you need an animal that is about 24 months old or older. Even a bit older gives more flavor. Younger animals are always milder, that is less flavorful. Veal vs beef for example.The last few months its finished on corn based feed. The animal needs to not be crammed into a tiny feedlot up to its ankles or deeper in a giant pool of sh!t. It needs to not be under the horrible stress of such conditions. It needsbto get killed quickly without unnecessary pain and misery. The carcass must be dry aged two weeks at slightly above freezing before cutting. Then the beef needs to be browned. Unaged beef has little beefy flavor. Meat that is not browned has almost no beefy flavor even if aged. That's why a good beef stew or soup starts with browning the beef, and canned beef soup, stew, or chili has no beef flavor. The common commercial way of aging is in plastic, which apparently gives you more beef flavor than no aging but way less than dry aging. Pretty nearly all supermarket beef is wet aged these days. The fast food beef is likely all wet aged beef from feedlot finished animals. Its likely mostly from animals much younger than 24 months too. Some meat from old dairy cows may be ground together with the young beef to add some flavor. But not too much as old cow meat is tough. Even the individual ground bits are tough.

You can still get good beef at top end restaurants. They get pretty much all the Prime dry-aged beef. Supermarkets usually get Choice wet-aged beef. And even the elite restaurants are probably getting beef that is 20 months or less, that is too young to have much beef flavor. And this is before you take into account that commercial American hamburger meat may also contain "pink slime" a gooey high-protein by-product of the butchering process that may be sterilized using ammonia, and which, according to Wikipedia, is not legal in human food in UK.

Corn-finished beef gives you a much beefier flavor than grass- finished beef. However, cattle digestive systems are not designed to digest grain. Grain causes their rumens to become acidic and inflamed, and drastically alters the kinds of bacteria that grow in them. A result is that the grass-fed grass-finished animal has a healthful profile of fatty acids with high levels of omega-3 fatty acids. Grains finished beef has an unhealthy excess of omega-6 fatty acids. Among other things, omega -3 fatty acids are metabolized into various metabolites that tamp down inflammation and allergies. Omega-6 fatty acids are metabolized into substances that promote inflammation and allergies. The diet of most Americans has a huge lack of omega-3s and an excess of omega-6es. As far as I know, all studies that claim red meat is bad for us were done using modern commercial beef with its abnormal fatty acid profile associated with grain-finished animals.

When I buy beef I buy from local farmers who grass feed and grass-finish. Look for them in farmers markets, try their beef, then for a very good price arrange in spring to buy a quarter or half for delivery in fall. It will usually be professionally butchered, dry aged two weeks, cut, and frozen. However, alas, this beef does not taste much like beef. Its tasty, but a completely different flavor from grain finished. Usually the animals are butchered at 18-20 months, which doesn't give the most flavor. I usually ask and specifically arrange to get an animal a little older, which will usually be from the last butchering of the season. If you want the high omega-3 content, the animal must be completely grass finished. Hay doesn't count as grass. And any drop in forage quality causes a fast drop in omega-3 content. So I buy from people who have good pasture in August, which usually means irritated pasture. I also always ask for a fatty, not lean animal.Its tastier and jucier. And there's little point to going to a lot of trouble getting fat with a healthy fatty acid profile if there's almost no fat.

Game ruminants usually have very healthy fatty acid profiles. However, they may have little fat. Or the fat may be too rank to be palatable. Cold water fatty fish have good fatty acid profiles. Salmon. Yum yum.

 

[Diamondback]

@OldBroad44 4 Don't forget that lots of places "cut" the beef to reduce portion costs by mixing in TSP (Textured Soy Protein) or TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein).