Taco Bell Customer Shoots Out Drive-Thru Window Over Her Order: Police

[salmon creek gary]

. . . . A simple fact attests to this. The number one common denominator of incarcerated felons, "They grew up without a father in the home". With that said, we must remember the wonderful mothers who successfully raise their children.
. . . . "No other success can compensate for failure in the home".

Common denominator, thankfully, is not the same as "predictor". There will always be some individuals who more than "compensate for failure in the home". Let me relate, with great respect, the short stories of two gentlemen I worked with during my 40 years with DOD, both of whom had the gumption to "rise above".

One man came to work for me awhile before I retired from active duty with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI). This man, a civilian agent, had grown up as (what some might refer to as) an "institutional child". He had only earned his high school diploma after aging out of state foster care system. Faced with the draft, he then enlisted in the air force and eventually cross-trained into OSI. During his 20 years of active duty service, he put together enough off-duty classes for a bachelor's degree and a master's degree. After he retired from active duty, OSI wisely kept him aboard as a DAF civilian agent. I only retained him in my shop about 14 months before OSI headquarters drafted him for a supervisory agent position in Washington DC.

The second man grew up fatherless in the mean streets of Houston (that part of town, he claimed, where "two-officer cars would not enter without backup from another two-officer car"). While some from that environment might claim their culture & complexion held them back, this man finished high school more or less on his own. When I first worked with him, we were both still on active duty with OSI, and he was already on his way to a bachelor's degree in spite of working full time as a criminal investigator (hardly a 9 to 5 job). Almost a decade passed before I next worked with him, long after we'd both retired from active duty. By that time, he was a CIA Officer with a master's degree.

 

[Diamondback]

Common denominator, thankfully, is not the same as "predictor". There will always be some individuals who more than "compensate for failure in the home". Let me relate, with great respect, the short stories of two gentlemen I worked with during my 40 years with DOD, both of whom had the gumption to "rise above".

One man came to work for me awhile before I retired from active duty with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI). This man, a civilian agent, had grown up as (what some might refer to as) an "institutional child". He had only earned his high school diploma after aging out of state foster care system. Faced with the draft, he then enlisted in the air force and eventually cross-trained into OSI. During his 20 years of active duty service, he put together enough off-duty classes for a bachelor's degree and a master's degree. After he retired from active duty, OSI wisely kept him aboard as a DAF civilian agent. I only retained him in my shop about 14 months before OSI headquarters drafted him for a supervisory agent position in Washington DC.

The second man grew up fatherless in the mean streets of Houston (that part of town, he claimed, where "two-officer cars would not enter without backup from another two-officer car"). While some from that environment might claim their culture & complexion held them back, this man finished high school more or less on his own. When I first worked with him, we were both still on active duty with OSI, and he was already on his way to a bachelor's degree in spite of working full time as a criminal investigator (hardly a 9 to 5 job). Almost a decade passed before I next worked with him, long after we'd both retired from active duty. By that time, he was a CIA Officer with a master's degree.

True, correlation does not equal causation. However, it does provide some indicators to study WHY the outcomes branched the way they did to target intervention and resources to try to divert the at-risk kid onto the better fork in the road.

In my case I was helped immensely as a single-parent kid by:
1. After my grandfather died, his Lodge brothers closed ranks and took me under their collective wing, and without giving away any of the institutional secrets did expose me to some of their institutional teachings that they thought would help bring me back to an even keel. (I am not a Mason nor do I consider myself even material to become one, but I can say that the teachings of Freemasonry that were shared there helped make me a MUCH better person than I otherwise would have been.)
2. Two outstanding History instructors, one of whom kept tabs on me across schools over the years, and mentored me trying to draw on my natural aptitude and preexisting interest in their particular field.
3. Once I got to college, it turned out that one of my professors commanded the USAF squadron my grandfather retired out of after coming home from the Pueblo Incident, so as with 1. the 318th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron and F-106 Delta Dart interceptor communities again closed ranks around me and mentored me, some of the Old Sarges even elevating my perspective via toe-of-boot when needed.

In the absence of a biological or adoptive father, a good "father figure" role-model can make a VERY big difference, and I consider myself blessed to have had a number of them nudging me back when I got too close to the guardrails.

 

[American123]

The above is an example of what I dislike....

I used to be a Behavior Specialist...I worked with students who had behavior issues.
I was damn good at it.

For my work and efforts...I was promoted to being the Dean at my school.
Now I still work with students who have behavior issues....as well as being able to make polices.
I get to work from within to make a better change for our students.

Now...again...I ain't saying that the education system is without flaws..
And i know that there are teachers who are downright harmful to students and their well being.

But the above quoted blanket statement , just isn't true of everyone in education or every school in the system.
Andy

That's interesting. Looking at, listening to and reading publications by the largest teachers unions in the country, it is clearly obvious they don't have the best intentions for students, but prioritize other agendas.

My previous statement was more in reflection of Jaime Escalante's experience, who ultimately despite doing great things with students, was pushed out.

If you've had a great experience in your school you work, that's great, but looking at the national averages, public schools in general have fallen further behind every year. Decade after decade.

As a public school teacher, I'm planning on homeschooling our own children. My classroom is great for learning, other classrooms are daily doses of propaganda and indoctrination sprinkled with a little math, reading and writing.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

That's interesting. Looking at, listening to and reading publications by the largest teachers unions in the country, it is clearly obvious they don't have the best intentions for students, but prioritize other agendas.

My previous statement was more in reflection of Jaime Escalante's experience, who ultimately despite doing great things with students, was pushed out.

If you've had a great experience in your school you work, that's great, but looking at the national averages, public schools in general have fallen further behind every year. Decade after decade.

As a public school teacher, I'm planning on homeschooling our own children. My classroom is great for learning, other classrooms are daily doses of propaganda and indoctrination sprinkled with a little math, reading and writing.

All of what you state....is a issue for sure.

My post was more about the overall general blanket statements , made by forum members , that bash educators and the public school system....

Without taking into account individuals who actually work and make a difference...some of whom , who are on this forum and who own firearms...and do not fit the stereotype of popular image.

In any event...I am done with this subject in this thread....as my talking about it does no good.
That said... to be blunt , I am pretty fornicating tired of some folks defecating all over my profession
Andy

 

[OldBroad44]

@OldBroad44 4 Don't forget that lots of places "cut" the beef to reduce portion costs by mixing in TSP (Textured Soy Protein) or TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein).

I don't know of TVP used in commercial hamburger meat. However, TVP is common in low-quality sausages, sausage meat, weiners, etc. And a few years ago Dinty Moore canned stew changed from tasteless beef blobs to blobs that seem to be mostly or totally TVP.

And of course commercial feedlot cattle are ususlly given implants or feed containing steroid hormones to make them grow and fatten faster. Three are testosterone, estradiol, and progesterone. Three others are artificial analogs of these hormones. The hormones remain in the butchered meat and are eaten by humans. The FDA says the hormones are safe at levels found in our beef but have tested only toxicity. Not whether they affect the obesity of humans eating the beef or age of puberty of children eating burgers or sperm counts in human males. Or behavor in either sex. A scan of the effect of diet of women who ate more beef than the control group claimed their male offspring grew up to be men with more than a 20% reduction in sperm count. The EU does not allow use of these hormones in animals used as human food.

 

[Hueco]

I don't know of TVP used in commercial hamburger meat. However, TVP is common in low-quality sausages, sausage meat, weiners, etc. And a few years ago Dinty Moore canned stew changed from tasteless beef blobs to blobs that seem to be mostly or totally TVP.

When I went through a vegan phase, we used to joke that Jack in the Box tacos were perfectly okay, being more TVP than meat anyways.

I don't know of any commercial vendors using it in tandem with beef...but this is a fast food thread and the process definitely exists in that industry.

 

[Bacon Camp]

If you are going to shoot a place up, I vote Subway.

 

[Diamondback]

I don't know of TVP used in commercial hamburger meat. However, TVP is common in low-quality sausages, sausage meat, weiners, etc. And a few years ago Dinty Moore canned stew changed from tasteless beef blobs to blobs that seem to be mostly or totally TVP.

And of course commercial feedlot cattle are ususlly given implants or feed containing steroid hormones to make them grow and fatten faster. Three are testosterone, estradiol, and progesterone. Three others are artificial analogs of these hormones. The hormones remain in the butchered meat and are eaten by humans. The FDA says the hormones are safe at levels found in our beef but have tested only toxicity. Not whether they affect the obesity of humans eating the beef or age of puberty of children eating burgers or sperm counts in human males. Or behavor in either sex. A scan of the effect of diet of women who ate more beef than the control group claimed their male offspring grew up to be men with more than a 20% reduction in sperm count. The EU does not allow use of these hormones in animals used as human food.

It would track with the observation of faster growth rates and earlier puberty than prior generations... hell, 20 years ago when I was doing my Sub Para summer, some of those ELEMENTARY SCHOOL kids were as big and tall as I was as a 20-something college student!

 

[RVTECH]

I am also 100% in favor of those who pull some stunt like this spending a LONG time where they can't hurt anyone

Yea six foot under would be a great place for this person.

The mentality of one to do something like this defies comprehension. It is a complete lack of logic and reasoning ability.

To act in a manner that is potentially deadly with no regard for human life is a sign of deep, mental instability.

 

[Alexx1401]

@OldBroad44 4 Don't forget that lots of places "cut" the beef to reduce portion costs by mixing in TSP (Textured Soy Protein) or TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein).

I have often wondered about that. I know that higher end beef is raised much more expensively to get better which makes sense. At home I always just buy the extra lean ground for everything and seems great. Often buy bags of those burgers frozen. When lazy and hungry toss one on the grill or in the Ninja Wife bought to make a burger. They are the house brand and taste great to me after some doctoring. Which is what makes me wonder how the hell do the fast places manage to make it bad? Unless they are managing to find a lower grade of beef than the house brand stuff at the stores???? When I had more time on my hands I used to always make my own ground out of Top Sirloin. Buy and entire butt from a place that sells to stores and grind it. Does come out a little better. In another life I worked for a distributor of this stuff and we sold a LOT of frozen Bull Meat from Australia. Was told they used it to make ground. Would use the fat from carving up sides and add the bull meat to lean it up. All this has had me wondering if the fast places are not "cutting" the damn meat with something. I figure something has to be going on when I can buy store brand frozen burgers and they taste fine compared to the fast places. Never looked too much at it as I seldom eat the stuff any more and I thought I might not want to know what was in them anyway Kind of like when I lived in the SW and used to buy Mexican sausage called Chorizo from a couple little Chinese family owned shops. The damn stuff was to die for good but I had to ignore the ingredients label and I know I sure would never want to see it being made. The damn stuff was over the top good though.

 

[Cavedweller]

when you are that dumb, your life is for the most part destined to minimum wage employment

Well, she won't get hired at Taco Bell.

 

[Alexx1401]

All the Karens I have seen in vids on youtube don't seem to be "welfare queens", they seem to be middle->upper middle class white middle to upper middle aged self-entitled mothers I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

That said, I have not seen many who would shoot up a Taco Bell, they would just ask for the manager. But I wouldn't put it past them.

That right there is a HUGE part of the "problem" here. A LOT of the people in the street screaming and waving signs come from VERY privilaged homes. They are filming the Cops with phones that cost as much as the car many working people drive. They came up with life so easy they have no clue what they are screaming about. Those "homeless" and drug addicts they want to protect? You do not see any of them load up a few in their pricey car at the end of the day to take home to live with them. If they wander into the places they live at night they are screaming to the 911 operator to get someone over there to remove them. Sure do not want them camping on their street. Many of them go to a college that costs their parents more than a lot of working people make in a year. Then they come out of that school talking about how the U.S. sucks. They need to be dumped in a 3d world country for 6 months with no money from Mommy and Daddy to see what a life they really have here.

 

[Alexx1401]

Well, she won't get hired at Taco Bell.

Hey she might be great on the drive through window. No one would dare complain or hold up the line

 

[Cavedweller]

My post was more about the overall general blanket statements , made by forum members , that bash educators and the public school system....

Without taking into account individuals who actually work and make a difference...some of whom , who are on this forum and who own firearms...and do not fit the stereotype of popular image.

I am guessing that I am one of those Andy is referring to. No insult was meant to teachers, the teaching profession, or individuals who do their best to foster the learning of young people.

However, I would propose that when the governor discontinues competency standards in math and English for graduation, when school districts announce they will no longer give failing grades in the name of "equity," when students are promoted to the next grade level regardless of academic performance, when one hears nonsense such as math and science are racist from high level administrators, I would say it is undeniable that something is wrong with the public school system.

I think that "blanket statements" are justified when policies such as the governor's recent decree appear to be blanket policies. No matter how dedicated certain individuals may be to their profession, I believe there is a system problem. I don't think that's bashing.

ETA: I do regret that one little offhand comment took the thread in this direction. Mea culpa.

 

[OldBroad44]

It would track with the observation of faster growth rates and earlier puberty than prior generations... hell, 20 years ago when I was doing my Sub Para summer, some of those ELEMENTARY SCHOOL kids were as big and tall as I was as a 20-something college student!

True. But puberty is generally earlier in females critters who are fed better. And my parents grew up in the depression. My mother lived in Chicago. She used to pass out in school from starvation. Their average dinner was a thin beef soup. Her father and brother were given whatever meat there was and the biggest portions of the broth and vegetables. My mother and her sister and their mother got only broth and maybe a small bit of potato or a few pieces of vegetables most nights. "Just scraps." Men were considered the most important. So when food was short males got nearly all of it. And even the youngest male child, who was youngest in the family and did no work, was fed more than his own mother, whose work at home helped support the family. My granddad had a respectable full time job by the way. But many full time jobs, during the depression, didn't pay enough to feed two adults and three kids. The political promise of "A chicken in every pot" actually referred to just Sunday dinner--that is, the politico was promising that if he was elected things would be so great that every family would be able to have one reasonably full meal with meat once per week. Many grown men on farms worked full time for "found" that is, room and board only, no wages at all.

After WWII Japanese got bigger and bigger with lower and lower puberty ages until the 90s. Beef was a small portion of the diet compared with fish, pork and chicken. So its clear that general nutrition status does affect size and age at puberty. But its not clear whether hormones in beef are involved.

 

[Diamondback]

OB44, that's also noted by the Irish experience in this country, and even the English: the generation born here, thanks to better availability of food, would come out VISIBLY larger than their parents and even Old Country-born siblings. If memory serves, the same can be observed across the generation-gap between immigrants of Italian, Mexican and even many Asian countries heritage vs their born-here children/siblings--for example I have two friends of Mexican heritage, about my mom's age, who are EACH easily at least a head taller than their parents (she's actually a few inches taller than I am, then again I'm Stubdude down here at 5'6"), and when a woman comes out that much taller than her dad that says there's something BIG environmental or nutritional in play. (Their daughter, about my age, came in between their heights.)

 

[Kruel J]

This thread has some of the longest posts I've ever seen in one place.

 

[Nosferatu]

This thread has some of the longest posts I've ever seen in one place.

Yep.

 

[Bacon Camp]

This thread has some of the longest posts I've ever seen in one place.

Don't worry, I reported every one of them.

 

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