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I know I said this before, but again: I don't pretend to know your experience or you. It is clear that you do not understand the points that I'm making, and that's fine. If you are going to engage me in a dialogue, however, I'd appreciate it if you extended the same courtesy to me. That is, to be able to have my words taken as real, actual opinion that is formed from experience that is just as valid and real as yours.

It is clear that we cannot agree on definitions of some pretty critical terms we're both using. And that's fine. It doesn't mean I should sell my guns. It doesn't mean I support violence. It doesn't mean that what I'm saying is wrong or untrue.

I get it. You're not the only one in the world who doesn't realize I'm right ;)
I understand the points you are making. I just see they are overly broad and in many cases, I would argue based on fallacy.

Opinions are not all equally valid. I dare say my views on a lot of things inner city are more valid than most because I have lived and worked in those places for decades. I know poverty. I know racism. I know its face. I have gone toe to toe with an AN guy for a very good reason. I helped volunteer at a safe and neutral place in LA during the black vs brown war. I have looked into the face of racism and hate. I have tried to combat it with love and safety, and a touch of ornery protectiveness.


In other words, I very much understand the points you are making and they look like a sociology class that hasn't been in the real world or seen how things really work. It looks to me like someone who hasn't had to fight for a black kid to be freed from an AN thug only to have that kid's brother call you KKK for being white. I have been there. And I am tired, so very tired of the lies and slander that call me racist because I am an American and I was born white. Those are the true racists. Those are the ones who try to stir stuff up.Stuff that gets people killed. People like me who grew up poor. I escaped that, but few did.

I see that as a student I was declined scholarships because of my color. I have been denied good jobs because I did not fit with their "values of racial diversity." I have had people tell me I was privileged to be white while I was homeless, but employed and could not afford food, clothes and rent. So just remember, when you talk about white power and privilege that you do alienate a group that is known as refuse. (I mean white trash is considered okay as a term, but if I referred to poor people of another race as garbage, I am sure the SJWs would crucify me.)

However, when we argue that words are violence justifying physical force, it represents a repression of freedom of speech and freedom of thought. If one justifies antifa's "bash the Fash" actions, it is the justification of mob violence in the name of censorship. It isn't honorable, it is shameful.

Antifa is no more honorable than the KKKK or any other hate group. They use violence and intimidation to force their opinion. They remind me a fair amount of the brown shirts actually.
 
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Decades ago Master Romeo my Karate instructor and gun nut and actually a Aerospace Engineer in real life one said no matter how good a fighter avoiding the use of you skill is a victory.
 
That's a far cry different from intentionally showing up, marked as someone that antifa would likely single out. Being an innocent bystander when this moves into your area would give a lot more leeway. That said, if I saw that crap coming toward me, I'd do my best to get the heck away from them.

I have often worried about stumbling into one too or getting caught in one driving. Of course with me if I do I will not be waving a sign trying to agitate, and I would be trying to get the hell out, not joining the screaming hordes.
 
Maybe I'm missing something about why carrying at a protest would be any different than carrying anywhere else.

* Carry concealed, not open
* Behave only in an unquestionably peaceful manner
* If anything bad starts to happen, LEAVE
* Don't take your gun out unless not taking it out means you're gonna die

You know, just like every other time you carry...

Couple differences here. "Going to a rally" is one thing. Wading into a situation where you can see it's about to turn violent is another. As is going with signs or shirts making you a target of the thugs. If you were watching and as soon as you see things are getting out of hand, and are smart enough to walk away. That's a whole different animal. I still would not go but if people use some common sense it's not going to be a problem. The problem is people who go looking for a confrontation.
 
and to drool over other folks' slick guns =)

Appreciate the conversation.

Hey thanks for the conversation with me. I do appreciate your thoughts. I did go a little extreme with the dictator and socialism but for me it's the same as the Ancient Greek mythology of the hydra. A multiple headed beast attached to one body that just won't freaking die!
:p

Anyway back to sweet firearms! :s0007::s0010::s0014::s0006::s0003::s0038:
 
Self Defense at a rally...
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...fits any color foot.
 

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