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I understand the points you are making. I just see they are overly broad and in many cases, I would argue based on fallacy.I know I said this before, but again: I don't pretend to know your experience or you. It is clear that you do not understand the points that I'm making, and that's fine. If you are going to engage me in a dialogue, however, I'd appreciate it if you extended the same courtesy to me. That is, to be able to have my words taken as real, actual opinion that is formed from experience that is just as valid and real as yours.
It is clear that we cannot agree on definitions of some pretty critical terms we're both using. And that's fine. It doesn't mean I should sell my guns. It doesn't mean I support violence. It doesn't mean that what I'm saying is wrong or untrue.
I get it. You're not the only one in the world who doesn't realize I'm right
Opinions are not all equally valid. I dare say my views on a lot of things inner city are more valid than most because I have lived and worked in those places for decades. I know poverty. I know racism. I know its face. I have gone toe to toe with an AN guy for a very good reason. I helped volunteer at a safe and neutral place in LA during the black vs brown war. I have looked into the face of racism and hate. I have tried to combat it with love and safety, and a touch of ornery protectiveness.
In other words, I very much understand the points you are making and they look like a sociology class that hasn't been in the real world or seen how things really work. It looks to me like someone who hasn't had to fight for a black kid to be freed from an AN thug only to have that kid's brother call you KKK for being white. I have been there. And I am tired, so very tired of the lies and slander that call me racist because I am an American and I was born white. Those are the true racists. Those are the ones who try to stir stuff up.Stuff that gets people killed. People like me who grew up poor. I escaped that, but few did.
I see that as a student I was declined scholarships because of my color. I have been denied good jobs because I did not fit with their "values of racial diversity." I have had people tell me I was privileged to be white while I was homeless, but employed and could not afford food, clothes and rent. So just remember, when you talk about white power and privilege that you do alienate a group that is known as refuse. (I mean white trash is considered okay as a term, but if I referred to poor people of another race as garbage, I am sure the SJWs would crucify me.)
However, when we argue that words are violence justifying physical force, it represents a repression of freedom of speech and freedom of thought. If one justifies antifa's "bash the Fash" actions, it is the justification of mob violence in the name of censorship. It isn't honorable, it is shameful.
Antifa is no more honorable than the KKKK or any other hate group. They use violence and intimidation to force their opinion. They remind me a fair amount of the brown shirts actually.
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