Oregon SB501 permit required to own guns, 20 rounds per month limit, bans mags over 5 rounds

[dancinghippos]

MYTH: "Incidents like the Parkland shooting demand gun control"

TRUTH: Deaths from mass shootings get all the headlines, but they are extremely rare compared to other violent crime, even now. There have been 1135 mass shooting deaths since 1966 (Washington Post). That represents less than 2 years in Chicago. Same for many other big cities where guns are almost banned. That doesn't support the gun control narrative, so it is ignored.

The ice.gov website enumerates 2038 homicides committed by illegal immigrants they deported in 2018 and a similar number in 2017. So border control would stop more deaths every year than the total number of mass shooting victims. But that doesn't support the gun control agenda, so it is ignored.

The Parkland shooting was a textbook case of failure of "the authorities" we are supposed to depend on for protection. The authorities tell us: "See Something, Say Something". Local residents called the Broward Sheriffs to the shooter's home 45 times. No arrests, because the Broward County Sheriff chose to take money from the PROMISE program to divert teen offenders to counseling instead of arrests. Residents called the FBI twice. No arrest, even after Cruz posted a video saying he wants to be a school shooter. With no arrests, Cruz passed the background check to buy the murder weapon.

The authorities say the police will protect us. Yet the four Broward County deputies who were on the scene when Cruz started shooting kids stayed outside. The Sheriff ran to a CNN "Town Hall" event to blame the NRA for the murders his deputies let happen. This sequence of real events would fail the smell test for a TV drama.

Feel free to repeat this in your own posts. But spend a few minutes verifying this yourself, because you may say it better than I can.

 

[bbbass]

Got this a couple days ago:

Thank you for sharing your perspective with our office. Senate Bill 501 is still early in the process and it is difficult to predict how it will fare. It is likely that it will be amended at least once before Representative Lively has any chance to vote on it. Because of this, he is waiting to make a final decision on the bill. As you may know, the Representative is a supporter of 2nd Amendment rights and also understands the need to address the crisis of gun violence.

Rep. John Lively-HD 12, Springfield

So he is still trying to decide how Fuddish he wants to be. Sounds like a real winner! SB501 should be an instant outrage for anyone with half a brain.

 

[dancinghippos]

The important thing when you make statements in Letters to editor and to legislators is that it is short AND CORRECT. The other side provides hateful emotional rhetoric. You have to provide correct information, and there must be large numbers of you so your polite and correct crowd far outnumbers the angry hateful crowd.

 

[dancinghippos]

So he is still trying to decide how Fuddish he wants to be. Sounds like a real winner! SB501 should be an instant outrage for anyone with half a brain.

So here is where you politely reply with evidence of gun laws failing to solve violence problems. And how they are making the innocent pay for the crimes of others. Finish with "people who don't obey murder laws don't obey gun laws".

After all, if gun laws really worked, Chicago, DC, Los Angeles and Mexico would be the safest places in North America. And the places nearby without gun control like Wyoming, Texas, and Arizona would be the worst.

 

[arakboss]

So he is still trying to decide how Fuddish he wants to be. Sounds like a real winner! SB501 should be an instant outrage for anyone with half a brain.

It is nice to see people posting the responses they are getting back. Keep the letters flowing. Especially keep the pressure on the judiciary committee members:

2019 Oregon Senate Judiciary Committee Members emal addresses

Democrat [email protected] (Chair)
Republican [email protected](Vice-Chair)
Republican [email protected]
Democrat [email protected]
Democrat [email protected]
Republican [email protected]
Democrat [email protected]

 

[dancinghippos]

It is nice to see people posting the responses they are getting back. Keep the letters flowing. Especially keep the pressure on the judiciary committee members:

2019 Oregon Senate Judiciary Committee Members emal addresses

Democrat [email protected] (Chair)
Republican [email protected](Vice-Chair)
Republican [email protected]
Democrat [email protected]
Democrat [email protected]
Republican [email protected]
Democrat [email protected]

You might expand your letters past just SB501, because they could "compromise" on one of the others to still destroy your rights of self-defense.

 

[bbbass]

So here is where you politely reply with evidence of gun laws failing to solve violence problems. And how they are making the innocent pay for the crimes of others. Finish with "people who don't obey murder laws don't obey gun laws".

After all, if gun laws really worked, Chicago, DC, Los Angeles and Mexico would be the safest places in North America. And the places nearby without gun control like Wyoming, Texas, and Arizona would be the worst.

Yup. To be clear, I was only commenting on the stupidity of the Rep's reply. Not recommending to zing him back that he is a total Fudd.

 

[arakboss]

The important thing when you make statements in Letters to editor and to legislators is that it is short AND CORRECT. The other side provides hateful emotional rhetoric. You have to provide correct information, and there must be large numbers of you so your polite and correct crowd far outnumbers the angry hateful crowd.

Yep and we are only going to be able to reach the less fervid of the antis. They will likely respond better to fact based arguments rather then passioned 2A arguments. The passioned 2A arguments are useful to rally the sluggish troops who are already on board and wake up the sleepy 2A supporters, imho

 

[308]

Yah, 55 mph law blows. The daily commute should be more Bullit and less Driving Miss. Daisy.

It's either 65mph or 80mph over here in the free State, and guess what? No mass carnage unlike PDX where people cannot make it over the I5 bridge without rolling their car upside down.

 

[dancinghippos]

Background checks aren't a bad thing in and of themselves. IMO, the only reason against them is that the government would keep those records with names and addresses, then use that data to round up weapons after a ban. That is a valid "trust" issue between citizens and politicians who lie about their intentions. They are hard to trust because they claim "reasonable restrictions", then they propose a law written by children they helped to scare.

If there was reason and accountability within the legislature, they would fully affirm the constitutonal guarantees and quote the OR constititution in the law they pass to upgrade the background checks. They would re-affirm "Nothing in this shall be construed to support confiscation from anyone other than persons banned because of criminal convictions".

 

[MarkLH]

The bulk of my e-mail to him:

I am opposed to the gun control bills currently being proposed. The evidence is overwhelming that gun control laws do not reduce crime. Only a fraction of crimes are committed by those who legally own guns and adding more laws against gun owners does almost nothing to reduce crime. The issue with gun violence is primarily criminals killing criminals (a lot of that gang related) and suicides. What works to reduce crime is to keep violent criminals in jail, and what works to reduce suicides by expanding mental health services, identifying, and getting help to the people who need it.


You impressed me as a fair minded and objective person when I met you. I am counting on you to make sure nothing extreme makes it through the House this session.

Excellent respectful tone and points. It is this kind of level headed civil approach that will properly represent the firearm community and hopefully get those in power to see a bill like this as misdirected approach to a complex problem

I have some experience "fighting city hall" on another topic, years ago. Here is what I observed:


7: Therefore, MAKE A CROWD. FLOOD THEM with firm, correct, polite messages. Fill their email and melt their phone wires.


FEEL FREE TO REPOST IN YOUR OWN WORDS AND NAME. This is for the 2a, not me.

Excellent advice. I too recently had an an involved process w City Council

VERY IMPORTANT to remain civil & and respectful . Cant emphasize enough how many times I was told they listened and respected my interaction because I was polite and factual. They appreciate being recognized as having the authority... if you yell, rant, rave - it just polarizes them to dig in and - not be TOLD what to do.

be logical, offer sound arguments.. and be civil

AND - please urge AS MANY fellow firearm enthusiasts to engage. make it easy for others: provide them with the names, email addresses and snail mail addresses to send correspondence

FLOOD them with response... at some point, they cant ignore it... and yes: reelection is paramount to their concern

 

[bbbass]

Background checks aren't a bad thing in and of themselves.

They are when they add $50 to the cost of a used .22lr rifle selling for $150. And a layer of effort that didn't used to be part of a private transaction.

 

[FullMetalJerk]

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

 

[Oohrah]

Senator Shemia Fagan


Capitol Phone: 503-986-1724
Capitol Address: 900 Court St. NE, S-409, Salem, Oregon 97301
Email: [email protected]

People need to blow up her phone and email, I heard from someone that she would vote yes and says she is aware SB 501 would violate our rights but cares about "safety".

If it is a Demorat, it means 99.9% they carry that disease of either seize or control anything connected to firearms. The next generation is poisoned and even now it's suddenly a religious matter, as the clergy believe that God isn't enough to keep us from using the ugly black guns from us killing someone!

 

[Oohrah]

 

[dancinghippos]

The next generation is poisoned and even now it's suddenly a religious matter, as the clergy believe

If they care, remind them of ... 1 Samuel 13:19:

Now there was no blacksmith to be found throughout all the land of Israel, for the Philistines said, "Lest the Hebrews make themselves swords or spears."

This problem has been around for a long time now. Oppressors oppress easily when the victims are disarmed.

 

[Core]

Background checks aren't a bad thing in and of themselves. IMO, the only reason against them is that the government would keep those records with names and addresses, then use that data to round up weapons after a ban. That is a valid "trust" issue between citizens and politicians who lie about their intentions. They are hard to trust because they claim "reasonable restrictions", then they propose a law written by children they helped to scare.

If there was reason and accountability within the legislature, they would fully affirm the constitutonal guarantees and quote the OR constititution in the law they pass to upgrade the background checks. They would re-affirm "Nothing in this shall be construed to support confiscation from anyone other than persons banned because of criminal convictions".

The problem is that the Second Amendment states that background checks are unconstitutional. By the inference to "shall not be infringed." The founders knew the dangers of the ruling class and taxation. We see elsewhere in the US Constitution, the preventative measures protecting "rights" from taxation and regulation. They knew tyrants or mob rule would someday again seek to tax and regulate as did the King.
We have to get it out of our logic that tax and regulations will somehow mysteriously be adhered to by the criminals and the corrupt. We have been fed this nonsense for so long it makes sense to us, but it's a fallacy. However, an individual has the right to ensure the person they do business with is not a criminal, and can do a check prior to selling said goods: this is constitutional but it should never be required, nor taxed, nor regulated. Civil law can seek reperations for damages and negligence. But the punishment for crime must fall solely on the individuals who commit the crime. The idea that we can prevent crime before it happens is more of a social experiment than anything else.

 

[FordPrefect]

If it is a Demorat, it means 99.9% they carry that disease of either seize or control anything connected to firearms.

She is a Democrat. That is the problem I have. I think I have it a bit worse as my state Senator is Peter Courtney. Not only is he a dem, but the president of the Senate. My house rep is just as useless. I've written to both of them, but I am not expecting anything positive out of it.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]