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and im still holding you to this question.and if you dont share our level of paranoia, tell us what the make, model, and serial number have to do with a persons criminal background?
he doesnt fit the definition of a troll.
gauging by his past posts he already does.Id rather him ask questions here than look to bloomburg for answers........
that doesnt make him a troll...gauging by his past posts he already does.
I feel like most of you are so salty about the passing of SB 941 that you haven't actually read the damn thing for yourselves to see how very little impact it will have.
I'll be more specific about CHL reciprocity. Some bills being introduced would allow you to sell/transfer firearms to another CHL holder without a background check since the CHL covers those grounds.
My old neighbor in an off post housing area near Ft Lewis was a good example. He was scooping up firearms online and reselling them in private sales. 13 of the guns he sold were used in crimes and 4 of them were sold to felons. He had bills of sale from his customers that had. There wasn't really anything LE could do to prosecute the guy but as his neighbor it was clear to me he didn't give a damn about who he was selling them to. I'm rather happy he's forced to either selling them completely illegally and running the risk of them being traced back or now forced to sell to people who can pass a background check.
that doesnt make him a troll...
Seems to me that there was a bill addressing this very issue that would have very nearly the same effect as 941 with a lot less intrusion, a lot less expense and a lot less hassle. That bill was brushed aside without any consideration.I don't share your level of paranoia.
There are bills in place right now to implement CHL reciprocity.
The only part I never liked about private sales is that it enables straw dealing with legal protection. If I decide to straw deal I could scoop up 10 guns and sell to non-law abiding citizens without worry of legal recourse. As long as you can prove you are unaware of the buyer status to eligibility.
I almost bought an older model Springfield 1911 on NWFA in an FTF and said to me "I wont ask you any questions and you won't tell me any lies."
if hes a troll then why havnt the mods deleted him by now?There is a history........
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...ming-an-nra-member.191956/page-5#post-1243647
But then I see posts like this and all that seems way off from the current thoughts.
Go Figure LOL
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...ue-to-current-events.98381/page-3#post-675034
if hes a troll then why havnt the mods deleted him by now?
if hes a troll then why havnt the mods deleted him by now?
While I agree it's "better" that I-594 in WA as far as legitimate sporting purposes go, it doesn't make it a "good" law.
Ive seen at least one fairly new member try and bring down a defeatist attitude, and that we should all follow suite.
So the idea that part of the gun control strategy is to try and bring down the moral and energy level on forums like this one is not surprising.
I have seen and been in this fight for over 50++ years and there is no way it will slow down. They want us to stop fighting but what they cause is to make us fight harder and even use their BS tactics when they are needed. We need to out do their crap by what ever means we can use. Taking a higher ground route only leads to the cliff.
What is needed is too drive the worms back into their holes instead. Some of them need to be treated just like the rabid animals they are.
I feel like most of you are so salty about the passing of SB 941 that you haven't actually read the damn thing for yourselves to see how very little impact it will have.
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB941/Introduced
Section 2: which includes an incredibly long list of legal exemptions from the background check is quite hefty and it includes a long list of ambiguous legal jargon. Seeing as how this law was just signed we are now in completely uncharted territory.
Family Members including first cousins are exempt.
Spouses and Domestic Partners (seriously. DOMESTIC PARTNERS. The most ambiguous term ever. A roommate, that girl that lived with you for 1 month, a friend who crashed on your couch for 1 week, etc etc)
Trusts/Trustees are exempt. The same NFA trusts we used for tax stamped items. If you had an LLC and an NFA trust you could expand this to include all of your shooting friends. Thus avoiding transfer hassles.
Also under section 2 includes one of the most ambiguous two exemptions from "TRANSFERS".
"Transfer" does not include the temporary provision of a firearm to a transferee if the transferor has no reason to believe the transferee is prohibited from possessing a firearm or intends to use the firearm in the commission of a crime, and the provision occurs:
(A) At a shooting range, shooting gallery or other area designed for the purpose of target shooting, for use during target practice, a firearms safety or training course or class or a similar lawful activity;
OR SIMILAR LAWFUL ACTIVITY. What about educating myself on the safe and proper use of a different model firearm I'm unfamiliar with for a temporary amount of time. A distance learning certification program..... etc etc
(B) For the purpose of hunting, trapping or target shooting, during the time in which the transferee is engaged in activities related to hunting, trapping or target shooting;
ACTIVITIES RELATED TO HUNTING. More grey area.
And of course the real reality is that this law won't be enforced at all. Just like 922R compliance.