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RSOs at TCGC

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by RifleEnthusiast, Aug 25, 2013.

  1. RifleEnthusiast

    RifleEnthusiast Close to Oregon City Active Member

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    Are they employing new RSOs at TCGC? Are they not telling them what their job duties are or how to approach or talk to the members? Over the past few days I've gotten in incidents with several new faces other than the 2 older gentleman that typically give the orientation and I've found their behavior and understanding of their job quite annoying, I just wasn't in a mood to pick up a fight so I let things slide.
    On one particular day I got approached by the same person (person A) 3 different times:
    1. I am parking the car and adjusting it, making sure it's parallel to other cars parked and that I'm not taking up more space than I ought to, person A walks and stands in front of the car (literally) with his hands in his waist and waves his card (asking that I show him my member card), I got out of the car with it running to show him the card.
    2. In the same range, after I set up my stuff with my card stuck at the back of my shirt, same person, person A, after about 30 minutes, comes and starts talking and asking about my gun and this and that, taking into account, I have ear plugs and muffs on, there are other shooters actively shooting, he's talking and I can see his mouth moving and can hardly hear him, I don't want to look or sound rude to him, but I am not pulling off my muffs just to talk, not happening, my ears are far more important to me than your talk as long as I'm not doing anything unsafe or reckless. He had no complaints about me being unsafe, please leave me alone, I am focusing and enjoying my me time, I am not here to make little talk.
    3. A different range, same person A, about 2 hours later, card still stuck on back of my shirt, comes and starts talking again, again, starts asking about my gun and this time starts commenting and giving advice on how I can improve my shooting posture, again, please leave me alone, I am enjoying my shooting time, if I wanted to talk I would've gotten buddies with me to the range. I doubt that there's anything in the job duties that says interrupt people and give them advice. Again, he had no complaints about me being unsafe or reckless or anything.
    4. On other days, I got approached by other gentleman, their tone and attitude are much different from person A, less their interruption and talk and not knowing where to look for the card, either around your neck, stuck on back of shirt collar or lid.

    I am comparing this behavior to that of the 2 gentlemen that give the orientation, which I've witnessed when they were checking out the different ranges, they walk around, check the cards without interrupting you or anything, as long as things are looking safe, they leave you alone.

    If I'm doing anything unsafe or reckless or against the rules, please stop me and ask me to leave and I will, if I'm not, please don't interrupt my me fun and focus time, a little cordiality and just let me enjoy my range time. Sorry for the rant..I just had to get it out :)
     
  2. udoggie

    udoggie Washington Co, Or. Member

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    I don't go to visit with the RSO's, I go to train.

    My last trip out I was having a bit of trouble sighting in a new rifle, and had an offer from a RSO to help. Not pushy, just honestly trying to help. I was already on a path to get it dialed in, and declined, but had a great minute or two with him, and we went our separate ways.

    I wonder how much of this is due to the fact that TCGC is at full capacity, and they're trying to get a few new RSO's?

    UD
     
  3. techiej

    techiej vancouver, wa Active Member

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    Have you tried contacting Randy who is the Executive RSO? His contact information is in the newsletter. Ideally you should get the name of the specific RSO(s) so that he can discuss the issue with that RSO.

    No offense, but complaining on a forum that is not administrated by them is unlikely to get you results/changes whereas either talking to Randy or attending a monthly membership meeting to air your issues should at least get you some answers. I have found that it is easier to get a hold of him by phone than by e-mail.

    FWIW -- I've had some RSO's there who wanted to chat (usually when there's not other shooters around) but when I let them I know that I didn't have the time (politely) they wouldn't linger and I get could on with my practice.
     
  4. RifleEnthusiast

    RifleEnthusiast Close to Oregon City Active Member

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    I did notice the names of the RSOs, thanks for suggesting contacting Randy, I'll have to look at his contacts in the newsletter.

    I guess I was just wondering if this has happened with others, or was it just me on a few bad days.
     
  5. Oregonhunter5

    Oregonhunter5 2C IDAHO Well-Known Member

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    They have been azzholes there since day one. But that's cause they don't want deaths. It's a little over the top though. Makes shooting in the hills free, that much nicer.
     
  6. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    Yeah TCG has always had a-hole ROs, but they're getting worse. Call it ego power tripping, whatever, but I have even seen a RO harass deputies training for no other reason than to ego trip.
     
  7. RifleEnthusiast

    RifleEnthusiast Close to Oregon City Active Member

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    I think you nailed it, that's exactly how I felt, it sounds childish, but what came to me at some point was Cartman's "Respect my authority" kind of thing.
     
  8. LProf

    LProf Oregon Member

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    No intent to hijack the thread, but I am new to the Portland area, West Linn to be exact, and wonder what range or ranges, other then TCGC, tou folks could recommend to me.
     
  9. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    In this area, besides TCGC, you're kinda limited to Douglas Ridge and Estacada Rod and Gun club, as far as I know.
     
  10. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I once had a RO drop an expensive european magazine right on the lips! Ok guy, but come on man! He was another chatter and couldn't take the hint. This was at Clark Rifles, I've never had a problem there except this one instance. They are very professional there!
     
  11. 4dogs

    4dogs 3 miles from the range Active Member

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    A bit far from West Linn but the Albany Rifle & Pistol Club is worth checking out. During RO training, the emphasis is safety, for sure, but also that the ROs are the club's ambassadors. ARPC also has a great professional staff (Rangemaster & Office Manager) and board of officers but I am definitely biased.
     
  12. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    It might be a good idea and requirement for them to wear a large patch front and rear with their name on it. That way if they act foolish it is clear who it was vs 'A'.

    Never had a bad experience with an RO there. A guy that rides around on a Segway seems to have an overly aggressive attitude. Saw him curse out a shooter for pointing his rifle up when reloading. He did find it necessary to call the shooter a bunch of vulgar names in his rant which was disrespectful and unnecessary.

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  13. RifleEnthusiast

    RifleEnthusiast Close to Oregon City Active Member

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    I did note their names when I talked to them.
     
  14. wyattburp

    wyattburp Beaverton Member

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    I was there a couple weekends ago and noticed a RO approach a man with his son set up on a single station near me. The RO almost condescendingly told them that since the man had brought a visitor, that he needed to make sure the guest was signed in (which he was) and that they couldn't shoot at the same time (they weren't, they were only occupying one bench). I found it a little obnoxious as they weren't doing anything wrong but were still being read the rules, which they clearly already knew. The man and his son were very nice and cordial to the RO, but they didn't receive the same in return.

    I get they are there to enforce the rules, but they could be a little nicer when going about it.
     
  15. Cremator75

    Cremator75 Portland, OR Active Member

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    I don't go to TCGC because of their RSO's!