National Pistol Brace rule Dropped!

[MTpockets]

Just don't be smokin' the devil's lettuce while bracing your tactical beaker bong.


Disclaimer: This is not a real product. And it has been decriminalized in Oregon.

 

[RX-79G]

The 4473 is not always explicit about the firearm's configuration, such as if you're buying a receiver and assembling it yourself. I thought that was kinda obvious. I also highly doubt that in a hypothetical confiscation scenario a stripped receiver would be treated as "good enough" by the authorities. More like grounds for a search warrant.

Look, you're the one promoting a conspiracy. So how about embracing the conspiracy where the ATF rounds up every AR receiver in existence?

Is that any less unlikely than the other conspiracies?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

manufactured after May 19th is banned unless SOT or "samples for LEO/MIL ".

Nope, words mean things, and at least according to the link you provided, May 19th 1986 would be the very last day that anyone could legally register a machine gun

Not manufacture, registered, so yeah, sucks to be those people, but according to the letter of the law (at least as reported by The Truth(ish) About Guns) the agents at the ATF screwed up and approved things they should not have. JMHO but they should issue a waiver and let them keep them, but that is apparently not what the law says they can do

 

[Wombat of Doom]

I guess it depends on how you look at it. I have seen many reports of people who were going to SBR items in the first place just use this as a "loop hole" to save a lot of money. I saw reports of people submitting 5+ tax free Form 1's which is $1000 savings. I know people who had considered doing SBR, but it was not worth the cost or the hassle but took advantage of this situation.

I did 9 for roughly this reason. I would have slowly form 1'd more than half of them sooner or later.

 

[RX-79G]

Nope, words mean things, and at least according to the link you provided, May 19th 1986 would be the very last day that anyone could legally register a machine gun

Not manufacture, registered, so yeah, sucks to be those people, but according to the letter of the law (at least as reported by The Truth(ish) About Guns) the agents at the ATF screwed up and approved things they should not have. JMHO but they should issue a waiver and let them keep them, but that is apparently not what the law says they can do

We don't know this actually happened. This is an article written 8 years ago. Show me an ATF letter.

 

[sobo]

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So it's less than 4 of the Form 4999?

 

[CamoDeafie]

Nope, words mean things, and at least according to the link you provided, May 19th 1986 would be the very last day that anyone could legally register a machine gun

Not manufacture, registered, so yeah, sucks to be those people, but according to the letter of the law (at least as reported by The Truth(ish) About Guns) the agents at the ATF screwed up and approved things they should not have. JMHO but they should issue a waiver and let them keep them, but that is apparently not what the law says they can do

The last day anyone could register a MG made after May 19th. That's where the problem is.

They were manufactured on May 19th, thereby technically they could be considered "Pre-Ban" and for 29+ years, they were. The problem is when was the paperwork submitted. The ATF says if paperwork submitted after the 19th, it's post-sample now. People couldn't register for a machine gun if it wasn't produced.... they could however register the MG if it was made before the cutoff day. That's why the difference between "transferable"(pre May 19th 1986) and "not transferable". (after May 19th 1986 )

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

We don't know this actually happened. This is an article written 8 years ago. Show me an ATF letter.

Dang! I missed the date! But as long as we are looking for letters, maybe we could take a look at the letter Bill Ruger sent to every member of congress arguing for a 10 round mag limit?

 

[sobo]

Dang! I missed the date! But as long as we are looking for letters, maybe we could take a look at the letter Bill Ruger sent to every member of congress arguing for a 10 round mag limit?

Still pissed off about that, I am..

 

[bradsteen]

Look, you're the one promoting a conspiracy. So how about embracing the conspiracy where the ATF rounds up every AR receiver in existence?

Is that any less unlikely than the other conspiracies?

Yep, you got me, it's totally a conspiracy theory. The ATF would never suddenly reverse their position and then actively go door to door to confiscate items. That would never ever happen in real life.

*Cough* reticent recall *cough*

 

[RX-79G]

The last day anyone could register a MG made after May 19th. That's where the problem is.

They were manufactured on May 19th, thereby technically they could be considered "Pre-Ban" and for 29+ years, they were. The problem is when was the paperwork submitted. The ATF says if paperwork submitted after the 19th, it's post-sample now. People couldn't register for a machine gun if it wasn't produced.... they could however register the MG if it was made before the cutoff day. That's why the difference between "transferable"(pre May 19th 1986) and "not transferable". (after May 19th 1986 )

You have yet to clarify what 1987 machineguns have to do with anything, and if the ATF ever actually did what Truth About Guns said they MAY do.

 

[RX-79G]

Dang! I missed the date! But as long as we are looking for letters, maybe we could take a look at the letter Bill Ruger sent to every member of congress arguing for a 10 round mag limit?

Bill Ruger's letter said "high capacity magazines", no number given, and it was published in American Handgunner in 1992.

 

[RX-79G]

Yep, you got me, it's totally a conspiracy theory. The ATF would never suddenly reverse their position and then actively go door to door to confiscate items. That would never ever happen in real life.

*Cough* reticent recall *cough*

What decision are they going to reverse that makes my SBR a target? The NFA?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Still pissed off about that, I am..

Ol' Bill said lots of stupid stuff, but the letter is a fabrication. There is no way he sent out over 500 copies of it and not a single image of it can be found anywhere

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Bill Ruger's letter said "high capacity magazines", no number given, and it was published in American Handgunner in 1992.

The actual letter or words reported to be in the letter? I'll try and find that

 

[RX-79G]

Ol' Bill said lots of stupid stuff, but the letter is a fabrication. There is no way he sent out over 500 copies of it and not a single image of it can be found anywhere

Is the one published in a national magazine a fabrication? Did Bill sue AH for libel?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Is the one published in a national magazine a fabrication? Did Bill sue AH for libel?

Don't know and too tired after this week to look into it tonight. I do remember the last time I looked into it I couldn't find anything, much like I couldn't find any depression era photos or the G-Men showing off all the sawed off rifles they got from dead gangsters and rum runners

 

[RX-79G]

Don't know and too tired after this week to look into it tonight. I do remember the last time I looked into it I couldn't find anything, much like I couldn't find any depression era photos or the G-Men showing off all the sawed off rifles they got from dead gangsters and rum runners

You are aware that 1928 Thompson is both a MG and an SBR? 10" barrel, rifle stock. The NFA banned semiauto versions.

 

[msgriff]

There have been a number of firearm laws proposed or threatened within the last couple years in Democrat/socialist/Marxist occupied states which provide no "grandfather clause". One example is the extreme leftist governor of Connecticut, who wants to confiscate ALL "assault weapons" (CT Insider 11/04/22). This movement will expand, and the leftist sheep of California, Oregon and Washington will blindly follow. Laws prohibiting SBRs, especially of the "assault weapon" variety, will be an easy mark, and the ATF will have no problem handing over any list to those states who intend on confiscating them.

 

[bradsteen]

What decision are they going to reverse that makes my SBR a target? The NFA?

Congress can pass new laws, such as a national AWB, which ATF can enforce. The point I'm making (and that you are studiously trying to ignore) is that door to door enforcement by the ATF has happened recently. Consequently, it's not outside the realm of possibility that if laws change and SBRs are banned such enforcement actions could take place again.