I've done a few. They lie. To be fair they don't know at this point. The brace rule is turning all that on its earHow long does it take to approve/disapprove an application for a Federal Explosives License or Permit? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
We would approve or, depending on the circumstances, deny an application within a 90-day period, which begins with the day a “properly executed application” is received at the Federal Explosives Licensing Center. Current Processing Times for ATF Applications [18 USC 843, 27 CFR 555.49(a)(3)]www.atf.gov
No one's denying that Oregon or ATF doesn't lie. Just saying that they published an estimated processing time frame and that should temper how long it "should/could" take... and then if Form 1s still past 90 days.. maybe just withdraw/void it and do something else with the lower and get it back to just plain ol pistol?
edit. For me it's past 45 calendar days but not 40 business days (currently 30 business days at my count)
Don't do that. One of the zen things you learn in the NFA game is patience. You could be looking at a year. Probably less but that's Where form 4s that they said would be at 90 days too seem to be running at and the form 1 game just got upended.No one's denying that Oregon or ATF doesn't lie. Just saying that they published an estimated processing time frame and that should temper how long it "should/could" take... and then if Form 1s still past 90 days.. maybe just withdraw/void it and do something else with the lower and get it back to just plain ol pistol?
Which is why it is great that OR has nothing to do with the BGC's in question
For mere mortals, the individual steps in the approval process are not transparent. What affects us is the time frame to complete the process. Just curious, when you go off to hob nob with other wizards, do you laugh at the ignorance of us clumsy oafs?
The tinfoil hattery is somewhat amusing. You're dealing with the ATF . They're a overburdened underfunded government agency that gets more and more unfunded mandates thrown at them every year. They used to be evil because they were drawn that way. Now they're just underwater.
That's what happens when, even on a casual forum such as this, a person doesn't use precise dictionary definitions for every word posted. Even when 99% of the folks clearly possess the common sense to understand it was in reference to the entire application to approval process.... there's always that one that will point out the errors of your ways and rub your nose in it.
Soon as I finish loading bullets into my pistols clip I'll be back with something to say about thatThat's what happens when, even on a casual forum such as this, a person doesn't use precise dictionary definitions for every word posted. Even when 99% of the folks clearly possess the common sense to understand it was in reference to the entire application to approval process.... there's always that one that will point out the errors of your ways and rub your nose in it.
Overburdened by their own making by overstepping their mandats and authority.... "underfunded" by poor resource utilization... and... have you been living under a rock and don't see them receiving funding bumps on a yearly basis? Just this year alone "X" millions in funding just to make changes to a couple of forms and a blanket 13% budget increase passed by our legisators.
The issue being more that the ATF put out a very erroneous statement that approvals would be happening in 90 days. With the current situation and a lot of people waiting until the end of the grace period that 90 day window is fiction at this point. It may have been true in the first month . Those days are over. Just making sure he wasn't referring to the BGC period which the 88/90 day thing that was click bait previously and always was hooey.That's what happens when, even on a casual forum such as this, a person doesn't use precise dictionary definitions for every word posted. Even when 99% of the folks clearly possess the common sense to understand it was in reference to the entire application to approval process.... there's always that one that will point out the errors of your ways and rub your nose in it.
90 days for the actual background check issue certainly has. If you happned to read what was actually being posted though was discussing a 90 day timeframe for expected application approvals.
It's really not them instigating it believe it or not. These are orders from on high. They might have received a 13% budget increase but at least on the NFA side their workload was increased exponentiallyOverburdened by their own making by overstepping their mandats and authority.... "underfunded" by poor resource utilization... and... have you been living under a rock and don't see them receiving funding bumps on a yearly basis? Just this year alone "X" millions in funding just to make changes to a couple of forms and a blanket 13% budget increase passed by our legisators.
Cry the blues all you like for your beloved alphabet agency, but let's get real.
Yes and that's why I was clarifying that he was not referring to the BGC time. The overall timeframe never was real at 90 days. That was the ATFs form 4 goal before they were forced to multiply their workload by 100x
That may have been what you were talking about, but this is what I replied to
Precisely!
If you were not one of the ones replying about actual BGC's in response to the posters discussing the length of the application process timeframes... then logic would dictate.... my comment didn't apply to you and didn't require a response or explaination.
