I thought clothing (although strongly discouraged) was optional?!
True but I didn't want the thread to get moved... it's already derailed!!!
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I thought clothing (although strongly discouraged) was optional?!
Intelligence would indicate if you are answering the door with a drawn gun, then you don't need to answer the door.
A $50 camera looking outside could have saved this guy's life.
I think it was a bad shoot, but I don't think the officers were 100% at fault.
The jerk who called it in and lied about it being a domestic violence call is the one really to blame here.
Intelligence would indicate if you are answering the door with a drawn gun, then you don't need to answer the door.
A $50 camera looking outside could have saved this guy's life.
So if someone knocks on your door in the middle of the night, and you are unaware of who it is you would just blindly open the door without any way to protect yourself? Nope, not me.
Yup. It's where most LEO get killed or wounded. Emotions are running high and once you put the cuffs on one of the complainants, the other one starts in on you for taking their man to the jug. It's a no0-win situation. Send in the social workers.DV calls are no joke. They are one of the most unpredictable and dangerous parts of the job.
(Uses big brain) - Wouldn't open the door at all. Would look on camera to see what is knocking, family already has a key, and realistically, there's a 99.9% chance knock in middle or the night is something bad. I say again, (speaking as a guy who has one on his hip while at home) if I felt I needed to draw to open the door, the door should stay shut.
If I didn't have a camera, I'd just ask "who is it?" through the closed door if I wanted to know and based on there answer I would reassess accordingly.
(Uses small brain) I had a knock on my door about 4 months ago. Around 11:30 at night. I grabbed my EDC and went to the door. I looked through the peephole first and realized it was indeed local LE. I put my gun away THEN answered the door. Apparently I had my soundbar up a little too high and the neighbor called. No harm no foul. First time I've EVER had LE knock on my door.
Intelligence would indicate if you are answering the door with a drawn gun, then you don't need to answer the door.
A $50 camera looking outside could have saved this guy's life.
If I am not mistaken, a number of people here answer their door with a gun. Not sure if they advocate it being drawn, but if I was only wearing a pair of shorts, I would not have the guns tucked into the waistband as the shorts would then be around my ankles, so I would have it in my hand.
That said, yes, I was just thinking that an outside camera would be good and that I should get one. OTOH, this was an apartment and I bet the landlord would not allow a camera mounted on the exterior of the front of an apartment.
The 911 caller reported it at a DV. The officers would have been dispatched to the call as a DV (note how the time of the second call with 30 minutes later...they didn't even send, or units were tied up and couldn't send anyone after the first call). It is not normal for someone to come out of their house like that, with a gun in hand. People do come out of their houses when they don't want you to see what is going on inside.It was a noise complaint, they were playing video games ( read that on another board )
and supposedly had a stranger come to the door the night before
I don't think we all need to install cameras to preserve our safety. Original story notwithstanding.
You do you, there was a time before I owned cameras, I survived, but they do give me options that I wouldn't have without them.
If I am not mistaken, a number of people here answer their door with a gun. Not sure if they advocate it being drawn, but if I was only wearing a pair of shorts, I would not have the guns tucked into the waistband as the shorts would then be around my ankles, so I would have it in my hand.
I have a camera at my place, FYI.