Open carry Pro-2a event being planned in Portland

[biggie24420]

What??? I quoted Pauly directly. He said what he said. Really hard to twist quotes.

Yeah but I think it's about the protested using the constitution as an excuse to do what they are doing.... and so if they are not real.... they shouldn't be using the constitution excuse. I personally don't care if people wanna protest but if they claim to be Constitutionalists and want to have their rights..... yet they have a problem with the 2a.... that's not cool. They can't complain about wanting their rights yet pick and choose witch constitution should be protected or whatever.
I looked up some comments and part took in some on FB and some of these people who are protesters or claim to be are mentally ill. They think if we the gun owners show up and open carry peacefully and calmly.... that they are gonna be messed with or the police are gonna attack them or the protest is gonna be shut down etc....... they were just going on and on. It is our constitutional right to keep and bear arms and some of these people were saying how we shouldn't practice our rights.

So I guess we (people who will be part taking in this walk/march/gathering etc.) are trying to figure out how real these protesters really are, and if they are fake. If they are fake, they (protesters) should find another way to drive their points home and not mess with the constitution. That is the impression I get from Pauly's comment/post.

I am not here to pick on you or anything, I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from.

 

[Working 4 U]

Hey Guys - I like the idea that you are trying to communicate with them and meet them on their terms. I very much would like to see a "coming together" over the 2nd amendment, but I hate to tell you, it is my opinion, it will never happen....I'm sorry. I do not trust them, this will end badly. It would be like negeotations with a terrorist. I like the fact that you are trying to reason with them but I fear something bad will happen. Then what...the media will eat our lunch, you will see some very bad publicity for gun owners and quite possibily strictor gun control laws because of it. Doubt me just look what the Governor is doing with the death penility even though the people have voted on it.

I like your enthusiasm, I really do, but they cannot be trusted. Again They can not be trusted. Consider yourself warned.

The best way to encourage 2nd amendment is 1 on 1 or small groups where their fears and false information can be talked about and shown they have been given bad facts.

 

[biggie24420]

I think it would be a good idea to just have our own little thing. I can't say that I would feel comfortable being around some of these "protesters". If one of these "protesters" does something where I have to defend myself or whatever, and something goes down, I am sure the cops won't have my back..... I can just see the police saying.... OH WELL YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT or something, trust me... I have had my fair share of run ins with ignorant cops.
They (protesters) can do their thing and I think we can have our own little group and walk around or do whatever. Working 4 U has some good points and I would sure hate to make a bad impression and have the presstitutes lick their chops and make us look like evil gun owners.

 

[Pauly]

What??? I quoted Pauly directly. He said what he said. Really hard to twist quotes.

Kevatc, I didn't say I wanted to crush them, I said we should know if we need to gather resources & crush them. There's a big difference.

But it's fascinating just to see how the idea is responded to on both sides.
One poster here started a thread on Occupy Portland's facebook page.
It grew to around 1500 comments in a few days before being removed because it started so much infighting that the mere suggestion seemed to threaten to fraction the movement. It gave me quite a bit of insight about the movement's stances which vary greatly.
Some in support of the idea, some vehemently opposed. One guy even got threatening. That's always funny, because, well, you don't hear too many threats on gun forums being as we all know we're all generally well armed. (He was threatening to bear false witness)
It was a great insight into the cross dynamic of participants in the Occupy crowd.
Yes, Moonbats are abundant & there was even some racist remarks against white people that I encountered from one particular self-hating Jewish person (I never understood the Jews who hate Jews, but strangely enough, they're out there).. Being Polish & a Pawlowski (Pulaski) at that, It's rather hard to call my forefathers racists or antisemitic, but logic isn't commonly factored in with ethnocentrism anyhow, so no surprise there..
However there were many supporters both on the basis of constitutional rights & from a pro-2a positioning.

I announced purposed intentions to their "leadership" Friday, so the word will be circulated & people will have time to get used to the idea. The leadership isn't terribly concerned like some of the far left ranks were. If the rank & file see those they see as their leadership as not being too terribly concerned, what better way is there to assimilate the leftists???

Personally I see it as a win-win.
If they stand against the 2nd, they're hypocrites for stating their movement is supported by the First Amendment & leadership knows this, so although they & we will remain slightly separated so they can remain saying they are absolutely peaceful, which they see as the strength of their movement, it still shows both the right & left that fears are unfounded & gains support for the 2a.
Both some males & some females support the idea & some of both genders also detract.
Even some of the far-left socialist leaning group began asking eachother "why pro-carry was "owned" by the right. And that they support our right to keep & bear arms.
This is one of the most promising comments....

Ross Eliot re: Shawn- Demonstrating to the right wingers that they don't own the 2nd A as their own private club in the Bill of Rights, for one. As a long time arms advocate, I can tell you the Right gains a lot of ground by claiming leftists are against self defense rights. I want to take that away from them.

This shows people that even people on "their" side accept the need for ALL of our constitutional rights, which is the main goal of this idea. If the opportunity can be seized to get even the far-left in support of the 2nd & the right is already in support, that only leaves the irrationally fearful.
If both sides of the political spectrum are for it, that disarms many politicians.


Anyhow... This is how I explained/clarified it to those on the Facebook page, pardon the length;

There seemed to be a bit of misunderstanding about the idea...
The idea is NOT to arm the occupy by many means. That would be absolutely insane. It will simply be a group of second amendment supporters happily supporting theirsecond amendment rights, likely at the rear of ranks & together.
We are not there to protect, or get shot...
That would ruin all involved's day.
We're not there for civil disobedience, nor conflict with anybody No Second Amendment people anywhere near any "Hot-Spot" .
No live ammo in any exposed firearm would also be a good idea. Under Portland's law only CHL holders can Open Cary a loaded Pistol, so anybody without a Concealed Handgun License could not have live ammunition in their care custody or control. The message is many-fold as the participants but centers both on the 99% concept & preservation of our rights under the second amendment which we constantly find under attack from the special interests who influence the political system of our Democratic Republic.

The rights that make it impossible for any foreign nation to invade the U.S. no matter how small our military is due to budget cuts because as Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto of the Japanese Imperial Navy once said; "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass!".........

The message is also to the Occupy Movement, with their vague message, asking the Occupy Movement if they consider us, the Second Amendment supporters part of the "99%"?
Many in the Occupy Movement are left leaning so to an outsider, it looks like this is a left leaning movement. The Second Amendment ultimately preserves the first. If Occupy claims to be of the mindset that the constitution is important because it protects our right to protest, one would expect that Occupy supports that which supports Occupy's rights at the foundation.

Gun rights have just been lost at PSU making PSU a soft target for deranged shooters such as those we've seen in the past. The school shooters don't seem to think it being illegal to bring a firearm onto school property is much of an issue before they mow down students because there's no possibility any staff member may be armed & intercede.

Many concerns such as these exist & many of us are concerned that more & more people will go after more of our rights as a result of Occupy's generally left leaning stance.. The whole concept is more 2a centered, but relates to the base message so far as we see it.
This is not endorsed by the NRA or any other organization, all with a level head are welcome to participate. This is a showing of all 2a supporters, from all walks of life regardless of political affiliation, regardless of any group affiliation. "Occupiers", hunters, police, citizens, all are encouraged to participate...
But just for logistics as to not freak the police out, the 2a supporters should remain to the rear & avoid conflict at all costs. If an officer wants to check the chamber of a long gun to ensure it's empty, by all means, submit.

Our presence will be noticeable but we will not interact negatively with any side & we ask that nobody who seeks negative confrontation attends.

Correspondents will be notified if enough people are interested. If interested in attending, correspond to [email protected].
Any idea on a better form of correspondence if enough interest is generated can be worked on. contact [email protected] Outreach will be made once details are known. Nobody's going to be trying to sneak an army into downtown Portland.

Here we have groups that all have the same general concerns, but many differing political views... There's some people who, when firearms are mentioned automatically think about murdering because that's what our TV & video-game culture has taught us that firearms are for. As people in my world would say, people who "drank the kool-aid".

From my personal experiences in the past, when the second amendment was mentioned, many of the left leaning have stated that the Constitution is "just a piece of paper written hundreds of years ago"... Even people in our sitting President's circle have made that argument... But now we find ourselves at a crossroads... The economy has gone so far down the toilet that those with their eyes open from all sides of the spectrum notice it. A movement called "The 99% Movement" has now popped up focusing on special interest corruption that has cost & is threatening both side's rights & livelihood. Some of us wonder if the 99% movement, with the vague message that most hear really embraces the core values of the entire 99%.
The liberals involved that usually reject the second amendment with a "the Constitution's old" argument are now falling back on the same document to say that their gatherings are legal.

The beautiful part of our democratic republic is that although we are set up to elect leaders, we're not set up to arbitrarily change the Constitution at a whim just because Special Interests were able to manipulate the populous & this is benefiting the 99% Movement at the present time, otherwise, laws would already have been passed to limit your rights to assemble, way back in the 60's under Nixon...

Our Constitutional rights must be exercised & everybody remember that there's a well thought out reason with sound rationale behind each one. The media, in their quest to help their financiers & 1% who wish to control us & gain a death grip on our country only shows firearms as tools of murder, which is far from the case & very far from the intention of the Second Amendment which is in place to keep the sheep with a say, even if/when Tyranny takes over.. (There's a saying that; A democracy is two wolves & a lamb voting on what's for dinner, Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.")

However due to their successful campaign there's a large segment of our country who's "drank the kool-aid" & agrees, calling for an end to legal firearms ownership in violation of our country's second amendment constitutional rights. So the fascinating part will be to see if those who are calling for the 99% movement to consist of the actual 99%, will accept the rights of the 40+% of American Gun owners in action as well as concept... Also, this is the #1 issue that many Americans have with the 1% who's influence have been giuding our elected law makers.

Our concerns are valid as this movement seeks influence, being as nation after nation tries to disarm their populous to the determent of their perspective societies. However news medias fail to report the spikes in violent crimes when private firearms ownership is repealed.
Now, talk is cheap. The only way to gauge the growing movement's stance on the second amendment is to exercise the right to keep & bear arms around them & gauge their responses.
Will they say we shouldn't exercise our rights? If so, why should they exercise theirs in the name of the whole? If we the people are the people & the 99% aren't really the 60 or so percent, it will be apparent the day the Second Amendment Supporters voice that we are the 99% also with our sheer presence.... This is what's recently happened in the UK with regards to private firearms ownership & what the Second Amendment Patriots of America fear most. This is the story of one man who's witnessed it first hand. Many left leaning powerful people such as the Hilary Clinton crowd seek this for the US & the Second Amendment supporters will simply not stand for it & without acceptance, no movement will ever gain the right's support. This is one man's story who witnessed it happen in the UK;

 

[Pauly]

The days of the British Empire are long gone. I watched recently as looters interviewed in London described their criminal activities as "great fun."...

Thugs, coordinating their movements through text messages and social networking websites, stole from innocent people on London streets in broad daylight. I saw criminals charge vastly outnumbered police, reveling in the knowledge that crime would be unopposed. I was embarrassed to see the effect of decades of media brainwashing on those who didn't fight back and gave in like lambs to the slaughter....

For those few remaining Brits unwilling to give up without a fight, their fears lay not with the criminals, but with the government. To remove a shotgun from its safe in preparation to defend one's family shows criminal intent in the eyes of British law.....

Those with an understanding of military strategy are familiar with the tactic, "divide and conquer." Used successfully by generals throughout history, the same strategy has also been used against firearm owners, particularly in Great Britain....

Acts of a Madman...

In 1987, I stood on Altcar Rifle Range, discussing the proposed legislation in the wake of the mass murders at Hungerford with some fellow members of the Manweb Rifle & Pistol Club. The Home Office was proposing a ban on all semi-auto rifles above .22 rimfire. I could not believe my ears when one individual stated, "I'm okay, I only own bolt actions and pistols." More shocking was the fact that no one disagreed with his blinkered perspective, except me. Because I was just a teenager, he laughed when I tried to explain the Home Office strategy to divide shooters to weaken our stance. I told him his guns would be next on the ban list. Unfortunately, time proved me correct....

Media misinformation surrounded the Hungerford murders. The killer had a semi-auto rifle, but he also owned a 9 mm handgun and an illegal full-auto Thompson submachine gun. They also failed to publicize that the police officers who first arrived at Hungerford came ill-equipped with shotguns and lost precious minutes sitting outside of town while the killer walked the street shooting unarmed civilians. A lack of concealed carry, which the NRA fights so hard for here, guaranteed there would be no opposition....

Afraid to take on the entire gun community, the government and media at first left pistol owners alone. The media made no mention that Ryan shot nine of his 14 unarmed victims with a pistol. Instead, they demonized the rifles that had become popular in the growing sport of Practical Rifle. The thought of civilians consistently hitting the same targets at 600 yards that the military shot at 300 yards was utterly terrifying to the government, which neglected the lessons of World War II, where civilians armed with the help of generous Americans were prepared to stand as the last defense of the British Isles....

Despite former Home Secretary Leon Brittan declaring, "You cannot legislate against the acts of a madman," Parliament passed the 1988 Firearms Amendment Act, banning semi-auto and slide action rifles above .22 rimfire....

The law was the result of a quarter century of planning by anti-gun activists in the U.K. Their movements were subtle; along the way they assured gun owners that legally owned guns were safe from confiscation and that their legislation would only target criminals....

Serial number registration for rifles and handguns began in 1968. Twenty years later, when semi-auto rifles were banned, the government knew where to find them. I remember having to surrender my brand new HK G3. As a soldier, I could sign out FN 240 machine guns from my battalion's armory, but I wasn't trustworthy enough to keep a G3 in my gun safe at home....

The legislative monster sprang once more into action in 1997, banning all handguns as a knee-jerk reaction to the tragic Dunblane murders. Still not content, in 2006 Parliament passed the Violent Crime Reduction Act outlawing the mail order sale of air pistols....

A year after pistols were banned I asked a friend who worked for the Liverpool Police if the pistol ban had an effect on armed crime. He laughed and told me there had been a 300 percent increase due to a massive flow of illegal Eastern European guns. In 2007, opposition Home Secretary David Davis made clear that U.K. gun policies had failed, citing the government's own figures showing that gun-related killings and injuries had risen more than 400 percent since the handgun ban....

From registration to confiscation took 30 years, and now the U.K. public was finally safe from itself. The government had confiscated all those wicked rifles and pistols that were never used in crimes. U.K. gun owners were divided and unquestionably conquered....

Why it Happened...

The anti-gun U.K. media has always sought to portray the U.K. gun owner as some Rambo wannabe. As a result my U.K. shooting friends go to extreme efforts to prevent their neighbors from knowing they own guns, loading their cars before dawn or inside their garages before going to the range. I did, too....

The complacency of many U.K. gun owners, who felt their guns weren't targets of the legislation, was to blame. They hid in the darkness, happy to throw the semi-auto rifle owners to the wolves, content that they were under no threat. Only 10 years later, pistols went on the chopping block. That's how politics works in the U.K. and here: divide and conquer....

Protectors of Freedom...

How many gun owners skim through these pages without truly seeing the significance of the NRA 's efforts? The NRA is the sole protector of the Second Amendment, the very backbone of the Constitution. The enemies of our rights are far more wealthy and organized than in the U.K. The NRA needs your continued support against these adversaries....

Without the NRA 's aggressive stance, the amazing foresight of the Founding Fathers will be legislated into oblivion. This is a much larger issue than simply firearm rights; it's about the freedoms that are the very fabric of U.S. society. With proponents of this tactic in the White House today, the attempts to divide and conquer have not gone away....

Imagine This:
Before taking your son on his first deer hunt, you must apply to your local chief of police for permission. If you hand your son a rifle without him having his own license, he will be in illegal possession of a firearm, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison. In the U.K, this is not fantasy, but fact. Here are some of the requirements:::

You must satisfy the police that you have a good reason to own a gun. If you are not already a probationary member of a gun club, you will have your application denied....

You must satisfy the police that you have suitable land on which to shoot. This must be a Ministry of Defense (mod) range or land that has been inspected and certified safe by the local police....

Your guns must be kept in a locked cabinet while not in use. Ammunition must be locked in another cabinet away from the firearms. If you stop to have lunch on your way home from the range, your car is broken into and a gun stolen, you are in breach of your safekeeping requirement and will face gun confiscation, license revocation, and possible criminal charges....

The police can, and do, perform surprise inspections to ensure you are satisfying the safekeeping requirement. No court order is required. By applying for the FAC, you are agreeing to this....

You must state what caliber you want, in advance. If you ask for permission to buy a .308 rifle, and upon visiting your local gun store decide the .30-'06 on the shelf is more suitable, then you must go back to the police and explain in detail why you want the change. Also, if you ask for a .243 rifle for deer hunting, and a .308 for target shooting, don't even think about deciding to take your .308 on that deer hunt....

You must state, in advance, how many rounds of each caliber you wish to possess at any one time. Larger quantity requests are often denied or reduced....

If you exceed your limit, your license is revoked, your guns confiscated, and you may face criminal charges. So whatever you do, don't have three stray rounds in your shooting bag when you buy your next case of 200, as those three rounds could cost you your liberty...

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You can open carry in Portland with a CHL. You can also carry an unloaded firearm with no licensure. However just to be safe, I would personally recommend exposed sidearms be unloaded just in case an instigator decides he wants to make a name for himself & be stupid. It's never happened before in the history of America in a pro-2a gathering, but this would disarm the detractors.

Those who can legally carry a loaded pistol in Portland can also carry concealed. Only carrying a loaded weapon concealed would eliminate & alleviate many's concerns.

Many outside the movement perceive this movement as an ultra-left socialist movement, possibly funded by enemies of our country to attack our financial system & weaken our country. Many of our country's enemies endorse the occupy movement including the People's Republic of China & Ayatollah Khomeini... If this were the case, Occupy would be in favor of restricting gun rights & would never embrace them.

On the other hand, if occupy shows it's FOR firearm's rights, that shows they're in favor of the power of the American people to resist TRUE OCCUPATION, that would show the American People that occupy wasn't their enemies. Unfortunately, talk is cheap & all political movements placate the populous until it's time for the slaughter, so the only true way to gauge, is to see first hand the reactions while at the same time standing up for our second amendment rights. Sorry if it seems like a catch-22.

Anybody who wants to show support, keep apprised & if you want to be on a notification list email---- [email protected]--- There's many venues this is being discussed at & the Occupy movement will not be caught off guard. We respect your opinions & concerns, however so far as I know, there's never been an instance of a 2a supporter ever becoming a danger during an Open Cary event.

This event will answer many questions for conservatives.
This event will tell us if all resources should immediately shift to crush occupy, or if Occupy is a true people's movement that's intention is to address issues that we all have in common.
The choice is Occupy's.
As I stated before, we look at all the dynamics.
We look at those who have professed support for Occupy & are apprehensive about taking anybody's word about Occupy representing the 99% apprehensively.
Supporters such as;
Communist Party USA
American Nazi Party
Ayatollah Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran
Barack Obama
The government of North Korea
Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam
Revolutionary Communist Party
David Duke
Joe Biden
Hugo Chavez
Revolutionary Guards of Iran
Black Panthers (original)
Socialist Party USA
US Border Guard
Industrial Workers of the World
CAIR
Nancy Pelosi
Communist Party of China
Hezbollah
9/11Truth.org
International Bolshevik Tendency
White Revolution
International Socialist Organization
PressTV (Iranian government outlet)
Marxist Student Union
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
ANSWER
Party for Socialism and Liberation

Turn off many social conservatives to say the least, but it's better to know for certain.

I don't see the argument that violence automatically goes along with firearms as valid.
I carry every day & everywhere.
I have had to draw my sidearm to discourage 2 men trying to mug me at a carwash at MLK & Killingsworth when they displayed motive, intent & opportunity, but spared them because they froze right in time. Being trigger-happy is not human nature & an unjust shoot by a CCW holder is rarely ever heard of.

As I've previously stated, this is a rare opportunity to encourage positive discussion & turn the tide in our favor.

I constantly hear outrage from the firearms community when our rights are under attack, but now, there's an opportunity to take an action to circumvent future attacks...
Who will step up?
Personally I'd like to see around 30 people at the least.
If there's less than 20 I think it should be reconsidered. I don't want it to look like firearms advocates don't even care if 2a rights are taken.
That would be a shame.

 

[pokerace]

If one feels the need to start a flame war against us, please feel free to start a sister thread.
Your flames will only be deleted & this thread will be re-posted until Joey Link, this forum's admin requests it not be

Are you threatening us with muzzling, if we have the audacity to disagree with you??

 

[CamoDeafie]

Are you threatening us with muzzling, if we have the audacity to disagree with you??

disagreeing does not mean flaming.

 

[Pauly]

No. I don't have the power to threaten.
However the mods/admin on this board do not like flame wars, therefore they will quickly remove this thread should one spark up.
At that point, as I was saying, I would re-post this thread (I have all text saved). Unless of course, the forum admin requested I not.
I do not speak from a position of authority. Just experience derived from observation.

 

[Gunner3456]

I also think it's a really bad idea. I believe something really bad could/will happen.

1. I will never carry an exposed but unloaded weapon. I can think of only 1,000 reasons why that's dangerous.

2. I don't want a concealed loaded weapon there. If something goes down and I think it will, I'd feel a need to defend my partners. My one prayer with CC is that I never have to use it. I've always stayed away from the types of areas where I might need it. Those people have shown a willingness to riot and even attack police.

3. I think the media would trash us no matter how we looked or behaved. I think it would be bad PR. Ever single shot .22lr we carried over our shoulder would be an assault rifle.

4. I could get with it if we carried only signs but no weapons, but I don't know it that would have any impact.

 

[Sling Blade]

I also think it's a really bad idea. I believe something really bad could/will happen.

1. I will never carry an exposed but unloaded weapon. I can think of only 1,000 reasons why that's dangerous.

2. I don't want a concealed loaded weapon there. If something goes down and I think it will, I'd feel a need to defend my partners. My one prayer with CC is that I never have to use it. I've always stayed away from the types of areas where I might need it. Those people have shown a willingness to riot and even attack police.

3. I think the media would trash us no matter how we looked or behaved. I think it would be bad PR. Ever single shot .22lr we carried over our shoulder would be an assault rifle.

4. I could get with it if we carried only signs but no weapons, but I don't know it that would have any impact.

I agree. Why poke at a beehive?

 

[fidelity]

I think we should poke the beehive.

We have more to gain than loose. If the event goes well, it could radically redefine the purpose and scope of the Occupy folks. As it currently is, the Occupy Portland is a collection of diverse, but mostly leftist, interests. By inserting our narrative in to the media story, especially successfully, it might encourage other's around the country to show up to a General Assembly with more ideas than just hogwash anti-capitalist/pro-left jargon. As we all know, regular opponents of firearms are the people who have never used one - I think we'd get a bunch of curious people, a couple *super* pissed people, and a whole bunch of people that don't really know what's going on.

What's the ramifications if something goes wrong? (apart from a bloody massacre? j/k) Will the City commissioners and Mayor pass more ridiculous and counter-productive firearms restrictions? I highly doubt it. Peacefully exercising our constitutional rights could not be more damaging than a double-murder with a firearm, and since murders with firearms happen regularly, I do not see how the public could perceive our actions as more damaging to a peaceful society than murder.

Regardless of how this Occupy movement turns out, or its impact, it's always good to reaffirm the rights of everyone. Additionally, there's a good number of people down at the Occupy Portland who own firearms, and a couple that are usually packing.

Of course, before this event, it would be absolutely necessary to have a police permit if we're marching, and a set of clear rules we're following. I'd like to see rules like "No swearing", “No drunks”, “No trouble-making”, but I don't always have my way. A rally that is stationary in a park would be much easier to organize than a march, but I guess that’s up to Pauly, since this is his idea.

A friend of mine recently held an open carry rally in Bend. He only gathered about a dozen folks but viewed it as successful. In his recollection, "At an open carry rally, it's really more about the quality of the people you have, instead of the quantity. I don't want some redneck showing up talking about shooting illegals to a TV crew." I agree with that. A meeting of everyone participating before hand over a beer would probably help us all check our temperatures and feel comfortable, make friends. I don't want a white supremacist or someone with a mask showing up.

 

[glock.40]

What??? I quoted Pauly directly. He said what he said. Really hard to twist quotes.

You are misquoting him. The previous quote was in relation to discovering if they (occupy) are hypocritical in nature, and if so, then they are protesting themselves and should be thought of as such. He didn't say that he wanted to crush them. Context, my friend.

 

[Gunner3456]

C'mon. There was a protest of thousands in Olympia yesterday at the Capitol. Three were arrested for assaulting police officers. Some were tasered. Others were arrested for trespassing. They call themselves "Occupy Olympia." Many were unruly.

They are protesting a sales tax increase to balance the budget, and cuts in spending. They want no cuts, and tax increases only for the wealthy. (I guess they want the wealthy to leave the state and take their money with them.)

You guys are asking for trouble and this is the last time I'm going to say it. You're free to go do what you wish,

BUT AS A GUN OWNER AND CC'ER, YOU WILL AFFECT PEOPLES' IMPRESSION OF ME TOO, EVEN IF I'M 300 MILES AWAY.

 

[pokerace]

If you poke the beehive, it's possible you will be arrested.If that happens it is conceivable that you will lose your CCL.

 

[Gunner3456]

All it takes is a couple of cops to feel it's their duty to check everyone out for CC and permits, and to check if guns are loaded, etc., and then for some OWS types to start crowding around taunting and then...

 

[fidelity]

...it's possible you will be arrested

Right, there's always risks. Risks are a part of everything in life. If I started working with Pauly and found out he was unable to imagine possible risks and deal with it through contingency planning, I'd move on and not work with him anymore. Personally, I believe Portland has been long-overdue for an open carry rally, and regardless of the timing and other activities throughout town (like Occupy), this event should happen if only as a reaffirmation of our rights in hippy-ville.

An arrest, or several arrests, might actually be a good thing for the 2A movement. If you pay close attention to people's movements (even in just recent history), it's the arrests and crack-downs by the state that galvanize people and force the issue. How would you respond if you read that in Cincinnati a dozen protesters were arrested for participating in a peaceful, law-abiding, open carry rally? Lots of people would be upset, news would spread far-and-wide, and in response, some of those people might do something to support us. If you go down and watch protestors take the streets, you will see how selective the police are about arrests and brutality, because LE doesn't want to incite people. As an example, look how the Scott Olsen incident incited people in Oakland, the West Coast, and all over America. You ever hear the old parable about clearing muddy water by stirring it? Arresting/brutalizing people at protests is like tossing a hand grenade into muddy water to clear it.

Fear of being arrested is the successful disablement of a citizen by the state, because obviously the state acts outside the laws regularly, and sometimes citizens must act outside of the law in order to control the state. I’m more of a “give me liberty or give me death” sorta guy, not “please officer, I want to keep my gun, so I’ll be quiet” sorta guy.

 

[Gunner3456]

Fear of being arrested is the successful disablement of a citizen by the state, because obviously the state acts outside the laws regularly, and sometimes citizens must act outside of the law in order to control the state. I'm more of a "give me liberty or give me death" sorta guy, not "please officer, I want to keep my gun, so I'll be quiet" sorta guy.

I think you're either immature or nuckin futts. The OWS etc. types don't mind being arrested. It gets them in the news. Some were arrested in Olympia yesterday for felonies against police. That will mark them for life and they'll never get a CHL and may never be allowed to own guns.

You wanna do a demonstration with guns, don't do it while the police are already frustrated with OWS and right near OWS. I see trouble.

 

[pchewn]

I'll speak for myself, but I believe there are several who would be in this camp:

1) I am willing to participate in a group "protest" "demonstration" "parade" or other "inform-the-public event". If it is conducted properly.
2) Things I would look for in order to be conducted properly would be:
A) A tie to a known-good organization (NRA, OFF, SAF, etc)
B) Pre-planning (what to do, what not to do, printed pamphlets with our message, etc)
3) NOT associated with organizations or people who are not beneficial to the message. (Occupy, Communist Party, Skinheads, KKK, etc)

From what I've seen so far, the fly in the ointment of this particular demonstration is associating with the Occupy movement, the lack of a known-good sponsor organization, and some missing pre-planning activities.

 

[Asp]

I'll speak for myself, but I believe there are several who would be in this camp:

1) I am willing to participate in a group "protest" "demonstration" "parade" or other "inform-the-public event". If it is conducted properly.
2) Things I would look for in order to be conducted properly would be:
A) A tie to a known-good organization (NRA, OFF, SAF, etc)
B) Pre-planning (what to do, what not to do, printed pamphlets with our message, etc)
3) NOT associated with organizations or people who are not beneficial to the message. (Occupy, Communist Party, Skinheads, KKK, etc)

From what I've seen so far, the fly in the ointment of this particular demonstration is associating with the Occupy movement, the lack of a known-good sponsor organization, and some missing pre-planning activities.

+1. And while it's only about a year or so old, no one wants to end up open carrying like this guy.
Where
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he open carried (in hand) a Navy Model 1851 black powder pistol in Belle Meade, TN in order to challenge the following laws:

TCA 39-17-1314 City laws regulating guns preempt state laws if they were made before April 8, 1986. ( <broken link removed> )

Title 11 Chapter 6 section 602 specifically states the carry of an army or navy model pistol is an exception, and it must be carried openly in the hand not in a holster. (Belle Meade Ordinances)

Too bad we don't have laws like that!

 

[Pauly]

UPDATE;

IN ORDER TO AVOID COMPLICATIONS & TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT KNOW OWS'S ULTIMATE MOTIVATIONS, I PROPOSE INVITING THOSE FROM THE LEFT TO JOIN, HOWEVER, IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO PREDICT ROUTES FOR PERMITS & OTHER LOGISTICAL CONCERNS.

I CORDIALLY INVITE EVERYBODY INTERESTED TO WORK OUT LOGISTICS & PLANNING ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT SUPPORTERS FACEBOOK GROUP; Second Amendment Supporters NW

The page was just made & I'm new to the whole facebook group thing, so try to join & I'll try to approve.
I just sent out a bunch of notifications to those who
I just have the idea, we'll all work together to work out all the logistics.
In these times when our Constitutional Rights are under attack around every corner, it's vital that we have our message heard.

I'm thinking it'll take around a month to work everything out & build up forces.
Please, no negative symbolism in the rally.
Gun owners are already stereotyped enough.
That would be counterproductive.

Thanks for the interest!
Paul


Second Amendment Supporters NW