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Open carry Pro-2a event being planned in Portland

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Pauly, Nov 23, 2011.

  1. Pauly

    Pauly N. Portland Active Member

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    Who's up for an open carry pro 2-A march at an Occupy march?

    Non confrontational, just make signs & O.C. on leg holsters or long guns slung over the shoulder.
    It's illegal to OC a loaded weapon in portland unless you have your CHL, so only CHL holders can OC a loaded pistol.

    This is proposed as being around Occupy Portland.
    Not a counter protest, however not necessarily in support of their message, being as their official message has been vague thus far.
    Simply stating that the 2nd amendment preserves the first, at a rare time when those on the left are proclaiming that the constitution means something rather than just saying "it's just a piece of paper"

    Confrontational counter protests will be counterproductive being as this movement encourages participation from all 99%, so it will be difficult for the masses to try to alienate our cause without proving themselves hypocrites.

    That being said, our group will stick together to assure no stupid kids try to grab a sidearm unloaded or not. We feel it would be a good idea to keep exposed sidearms unloaded.
    Carrying your CCW piece concealed & loaded would be the safest bet for all parties involved if you choose to carry live ammo.
    Also, we will stay away from any hot spots that might develop with O.P. and refrain from confrontation of any type with anybody as well as keep back from any law enforcement that may be in the vicinity.

    No sinister looks to anybody on either side.
    Just happy go lucky 2-a supporters supporting the Second Amendment. :redspot:

    Portland Law enforcement has been AWESOME during these events despite what you might see on youtube or the news.
    Gadsen flags & US flags (mounted stars UP) would be appropriate.
    Professionally printed signs are a definite possibility.

    Themes like standing against the proposed cooperation with the UN regarding the small arms treaty that would be expected to superceed our Constitutional rights would be those to push.

    So how about it?
    During these turbulent times, we must realize that the time for speaking up for our Constitutional rights is before they're taken away.
    If this is a people's movement, we'll show that we're the 99% too & all sides must accept that if one's going to proclaim to be the 99%

    Email 2ndamemdmentrights2011@gmail.com if interested

    We are aware many in the community do not think it would be a good idea.
    We respect your opinion & welcome you not to come if the idea makes you feel uncomfortable.

    Joey Link set this forum up as a venue for political change to cement our 2nd Amendment rights, so those interested, RSVP & we'll work together to ensure a a positive outcome.

    This movement is growing & liberals are open to suggestion as well as endorsing Constitutional rights at the moment, so we plan to seize the opportunity to show America that the firearms community is normal, everyday working folks with many of the same base concerns as themselves before they shift to an anti-gun stance as a whole.
    If this movement is already large enough to have its own soundtrack, we suggest it be steered to pro-2a ideals before it shifts.

    If one feels the need to start a flame war against us, please feel free to start a sister thread.
    Your flames will only be deleted & this thread will be re-posted until Joey Link, this forum's admin requests it not be.

    Thank you for your time.
    Pauly.

    2ndamendmentrights2011@gmail.com



    UPDATE;

    IN ORDER TO AVOID COMPLICATIONS & TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT KNOW OWS'S ULTIMATE MOTIVATIONS, I PROPOSE INVITING THOSE FROM THE LEFT TO JOIN, HOWEVER, IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO PREDICT ROUTES FOR PERMITS & OTHER LOGISTICAL CONCERNS.

    I CORDIALLY INVITE EVERYBODY INTERESTED TO WORK OUT LOGISTICS & PLANNING ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT SUPPORTERS FACEBOOK GROUP; Second Amendment Supporters NW

    The page was just made & I'm new to the whole facebook group thing, so try to join & I'll try to approve.
    I just sent out a bunch of notifications to those who
    I just have the idea, we'll all work together to work out all the logistics.
    In these times when our Constitutional Rights are under attack around every corner, it's vital that we have our message heard.

    I'm thinking it'll take around a month to work everything out & build up forces.
    Please, no negative symbolism in the rally.
    Gun owners are already stereotyped enough.
    That would be counterproductive.

    Thanks for the interest!
    Paul


    Second Amendment Supporters NW


    updated 30/11/2011
     
  2. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    Hi, what happened to the original thread? Thought there were some good points being made.
    Interesting conversation.

    I do like the idea of a march, but to claim neutrality is a bit silly.
    People do know what the occupy movement is about.
    If someone here claims not to, I suggest you turn off your tv and have a conversation with anyone who is involved.
    Otherwise great idea, and what is this shyness about being left and for gun rights? (Not sure if you're left)
     
  3. Both Eyes Open

    Both Eyes Open Hood Canal Active Member

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    Great idea Pauly! I am from WA and don't have an OR CHL so I will not be attending... Sadly... Best wishes for your march and lets hope everyone from Occupiers to 2A supporters all get along (they should).

    For Michaels, there have been some cases on this forum where Left leaning gun supporters are told they aren't wanted or needed. (Just read some opinion threads here). Most of us don't mind standing up for our beliefs but some I think just shy away. Anyway, no matter who you are or where you lean I hope that there is a good showing for the planned 2A march!!!
     
  4. SonicBlue03

    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    Deleted and/or hidden. Kind of ironic, really.
     
  5. Pauly

    Pauly N. Portland Active Member

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    Just sling an unloaded long-gun over the shoulder! :)

    But actually this is partially to gauge the occupiers reaction as well as get our message out...
    If the Occupiers are for weakening our country, they will be anti-2a, if they're for strengthening our democratic republic & keeping the power with the people, they will be pro-2a.

    There's a core at the base, at least of the Portland movement... They don't like putting fourth a political position though as they do not wish to alienate anybody who may support them, however, some feel it's best to know this group who has waged an attack on our nation's financial system during the holiday season's motives before we let it grow any larger.

    If they're anti-2a, that proves they want our country weak, & we can wage an all out citizen's campaign against them without guilt.
    If they're pro-2a, that shows that they value that which is there to preserve all the rest of the amendments.
    That's why I'm saying start absolutely NO conflict. It's the core's reaction we're trying to gauge as well as have our message heard.
     
  6. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    As I said in the (missing?) thread, I'd be up if we can get a critical mass.
     
  7. Pauly

    Pauly N. Portland Active Member

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    It's better that way...

    Looks like the idea's taking off on it's own.
     
  8. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Wonder if this thread wil go the way the last one did?
     
  9. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I am interested, I am a CHL holder and I emailed you.
     
  10. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    The term AGENT PREVARICATOR comes to mind!!!
     
  11. Pauly

    Pauly N. Portland Active Member

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    That sir, Is Occupy's choice.
    If they're truly a people's movement as they claim, they will be accepting of a pro-2a group of conservatives, because we definitely ARE part of the true 99%.
    If they're actually a socialist organization supported by enemies of our country, they will be steadfastly against.

    We get enough lip service form politicians to know by now that we can't trust what any political movement says. We can only judge them by their actions.

    This is proposed in the spirit of cooperation to give the "99% Movement" the opportunity to show that they're in support of the US Constitution, not just using our first amendment to attempt to destroy us from within.

    This places the ball firmly in their court & tells us if we should be shifting resources to crush this movement politically before it grows any further.
     
  12. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    And your open carry 2A march idea accomplishes some portion of this how? I don't understand how you want the movement to accept you position on the one hand then want to crush it with the other. Just as I said in the first iteration of this thread the optics on your idea in this venue won't be good and IMO will not serve the 2A community nearly as well as you seem to think it will.
     
  13. Pauly

    Pauly N. Portland Active Member

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    It sure will answer a few questions for all those who support or oppose no matter how it turns out though..
    Also, I never said I wanted to crush it. Those are your words.
    This will tell us where they truly stand with regards to America's Constitution & what they think represents the viwes of the 99%, for those reasons, I ask all participants who support the second amendment to be civil & non-confrontational.
    As any action, it could go one of many ways we'll not know until it happens.
    I prefer to be optimistic.

    Lastly, it is not "my" march. It's all who participate's.
    I just came up with the idea & put it out there. It's taking on a life of it's own now & those who attend will decide exactly how & when it's carried out.
    I do not seek to be a leader. I'm a little too salty for diplomatic work.
     
  14. gunnails

    gunnails Hillsboro Active Member

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    I support people open carrying when and where legally allowed in general.

    I support Pauly and those who would march with him in the venue and format that he has expressed.

    I also can see how this event could turn out bad, still with the parameters that have been layed out this should be a positive for 2nd amendment rights.

    I will not join in because I am fearful of possible repercussions. Coward I may be, but I will not criticize those who wish to make a positive contribution to a cause they hold dear.

    I would add however that a heads up to the po po might be in order.
     
  15. billcoe

    billcoe PDX Platinum Supporter Platinum Supporter

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    2nd the heads up to the police. Also, consider having a handout that you have worked on extensively so that the news media and the people you have discourse (polite discourse always!) can take the info home and not screw it up in their heads different than you want. This can get you a very refined powerful and accurate message, one that greatly outlives the time you are there.

    Lastly, make very sure you have no hot heads or weak willed argumentative bubblegums along. You might consider a couple meetings to get to know folks outside of the spotlight. Maybe war game a few scenarios of an angry bystander or OWS protestor yelling insults. Just think of the last thread alluded too above, which was supposedly "like minded" people posting on it but it surprisingly had some real duzies in it to the point it was deleted. If you have a single person who is a bad apple, or a single incident that goes bad (and the chances are very high) the news media will have a field day spinning it the total opposite of what you believe and want: and you, and all of us, will look horrible.

    Consider NOT taking firearms at all. A group of strange men, newcomers, carrying weapons as a group into an already tense confrontational situation to a group expecting agents provocateurs is not a good idea. Good idea, wrong time and place. You would get the message out, and the potential for a conflict, which is what sells media ads, would be avoided. If you are attacked by even a single angry person, for whatever reason: say, a young lady who's father was killed years earlier, and all of her co-protestors jumped in to "help", would you consider that a success? That's just a single possible "off kilter" scenario. There are many more.

    I will not be there, as I think it will very likely go a different direction than you feel it will, and that it could potentially be very very bad: but should you elect to ignore my advice I wish you all well anyway and may you have the best of good weather and good luck!
     
  16. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    Handouts are an excellent idea. Helps focus the message if you have easy talking points that you can not only refer to, but literally hand out.

    Getting a "demonstration permit" would also help with the police, letting them know exactly what to expect. Of course, as Occupy likes to say (often and loudly) you shouldn't need a permit for a protest, it DOES help ease tensions. (And they are free, and essentially a "given" as long as you don't outright say you're going to break any laws.)
     
  17. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I think having a few meetings to get a feel for the people who are interested in attending is a great idea. I know I have a thick skin.... in the process of exercising my 2a.... I would also exercise my 5th and keep my mouth shut when needed. I already predict that there will be some that will say something ignorant and treat me like I am a psycho for open carrying but that is their opinion and they have that right. I know I can keep my mouth shut and not get involved in anything negative. I will carry a copy of ORS 166.173 on paper to show officers or anyone curious about Oregon open carry in pubic laws. (166.173 applies to handguns.....so if I display a pistol that is).
     
  18. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Uhhhh, actually those are your words. But who is paying attention to details.
     
  19. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Why are you twisting things around? I don't get it.....
     
  20. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    What??? I quoted Pauly directly. He said what he said. Really hard to twist quotes.