NRA speech.. thoughts?

[swoop]

So, if gaffe-a-minute joe comes up with another AWB, and the next hate-school-kids-nutjob starts tossing molotov cocktails, do we outlaw gasoline?

No! Schools are well prepared for fire. Just not gunfire.

 

[michaels]

So, after a week long silence, this is the best plan the nra can come up with?

bubblegum the nra, and bubblegum anyone who wants to turn a complex issue into a simple shouting match.

So first, let me explain where I stand on gun ownership.

I think that all weapons should be able to be owned by all people.

(That's the REAL SIMPLE version.)

So what are my thoughts on stopping gun violence?

In no particular order,

Better mental healthcare system.

Respect and funding for education.

No more elective wars. I believe when the u.s. goes to war, violence is justified and glorified by the media.
Taking this further, it makes some people think violence is a viable solution in our society.

A serious reduction of overtime, more paid holidays and vacation time from work.
This would enable people to spend more time with their families, and therefore make for more solid communities.

More or less guns is not the answer.

 

[rur862]

Post Deleted.

 

[mjbskwim]

So, after a week long silence, this is the best plan the nra can come up with?

bubblegum the nra, and bubblegum anyone who wants to turn a complex issue into a simple shouting match.

So first, let me explain where I stand on gun ownership.

I think that all weapons should be able to be owned by all people.

(That's the REAL SIMPLE version.)

So what are my thoughts on stopping gun violence?

In no particular order,

Better mental healthcare system.

Respect and funding for education.

No more elective wars. I believe when the u.s. goes to war, violence is justified and glorified by the media.
Taking this further, it makes some people think violence is a viable solution in our society.

A serious reduction of overtime, more paid holidays and vacation time from work.
This would enable people to spend more time with their families, and therefore make for more solid communities.

More or less guns is not the answer.

So,unlike the NRA,which I am usually not a big fan of,you have a solution for the future,not right now.

 

[michaels]

Right.

Or let's just do the quick fix.

Read all of the following sentence and understand before commenting.

I don't see shootings as the problem, I see it as a symptom of a problem.

I want to take care of, steer the debate towards solutions to the problems, not towards solutions for the symptoms.

 

[mjbskwim]

Too bad this isn't your thread or forum,so again,lets just not do anything to fix anything until next year some time and wait for another tragedy to happen and further undermine or rights

Great idea

 

[PMKN_PI]

I can get behind the NRA plan, but it won't happen. Remember, "never waste a tragedy to get things accomplished you couldn't otherwise get done". The only thing that will be accomplished with stricter gun laws is that the law abiding citizen will be giving up more of his 2A rights, and THAT is the goal.

Precisely. I think it needs to become a common saying that liberal gun control advocates "love dead children". Because, they do. It gives them a soapbox to spread anti second amendment hysteria. It has to become a saying that is as common as any other slogan or conventional wisdom. Liberals love dead kids. The last week has proven it. When the most powerful and vocal people on the left make NO mention of armed security/police/teachers in all schools and barely touch on mental health and focus only on legal gun owners, the fix is obviously in. Leftists LOVE dead kids. Its political gold for them.

 

[Guilty]

The solution has to be negotiated. The key is to submit a solution that is a legitimate costly government solution such as police in every school to the gun grabbers and settle for something in the middle, like conceal carry for teachers. The far left does this kind of negotiating and so far in Washington DC, they are kicking conservatives ***, so why shouldn't the far right play by the same rules rather than starting the negotiating with sensible solutions? If our conservative politicians would figure out this method of negotiating, they would be much more successful in getting the far left to come to the middle to negotiate. I don't want to give up anything with regards to gun rights, in fact, I want responsible gun owners rights expanded. So let's get absurd with solutions and settle for more gun rights. I'd say the NRA has come out swinging and taken a good stance with the speech.

 

[Suge206]

Precisely. I think it needs to become a common saying that liberal gun control advocates "love dead children". Because, they do. It gives them a soapbox to spread anti second amendment hysteria. It has to become a saying that is as common as any other slogan or conventional wisdom. Liberals love dead kids. The last week has proven it. When the most powerful and vocal people on the left make NO mention of armed security/police/teachers in all schools and barely touch on mental health and focus only on legal gun owners, the fix is obviously in. Leftists LOVE dead kids. Its political gold for them.

ughh....probably the dumbest thing ive ever read. how can you debate like adults when you actually believe the other side LOVES dead kids? i mean really. say that outloud and let it sink in that you've actually believed that other humans LOVE dead kids. thats so unbelievably stupid that you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[joken]

ughh....probably the dumbest thing ive ever read. how can you debate like adults when you actually believe the other side LOVES dead kids? i mean really. say that outloud and let it sink in that you've actually believed that other humans LOVE dead kids. thats so unbelievably stupid that you should be ashamed of yourself.

You are much too kind to PMKN_PI.

 

[Dave Workman]

Seattleites to NRA: ‘scum-sucking dunces,’ and other pleasantries

Saturday morning there were nearly 1,600 public comments — many seething with hatred toward gun owners — on the Seattle Times’ website in reaction to the National Rifle Association’s proposal to offer support for school security which included armed security to prevent another tragedy in a “gun-free” school zone.

<broken link removed>

 

[slingshot1943]

So, if gaffe-a-minute joe comes up with another AWB, and the next hate-school-kids-nutjob starts tossing molotov cocktails, do we outlaw gasoline?

I hope this doesn't happen because the libs will certainly insist that the fire extinguishers be removed.

 

[PMKN_PI]

how can you debate like adults when you actually believe the other side LOVES dead kids? i mean really. say that outloud and let it sink in that you've actually believed that other humans LOVE dead kids. .

No...you should think about it for a minute, and look at their history of protecting kids. Its true. They would happy unloading a truck full of dead babies with a pitchfork. As long as its what made them feel good or advanced their march to the ideal leftist ruled world. Dead kids. They thirst for them.

 

[Suge206]

Seattleites to NRA: ‘scum-sucking dunces,’ and other pleasantries

Saturday morning there were nearly 1,600 public comments — many seething with hatred toward gun owners — on the Seattle Times’ website in reaction to the National Rifle Association’s proposal to offer support for school security which included armed security to prevent another tragedy in a “gun-free” school zone.

<broken link removed>

lol yes there are some meanies out there

 

[longcolt]

The NRA has too much power and money to be trusted 100%, I agree. However, their statement today was a no BS statement of fact and the plan is solid. It is a plan that our government needs to get behind - and I mean not just back it, they need to support it.

There is no reason why the government can't fund infrastructure upgrades in the form of access control and physical security improvements to supplement the security that will be provided through the NRA. The President stated that doing nothing isn't an option. Stricter gun laws not only infringe on our rights but they don't work. This is a plan that our elected officials should be able to come together on. In my opinion, Mr. Obama should either get on board with this or get out of the way.

I wonder how you can make that statement. The NRA is only 4 million members, it has little power to do anything. There are 80 million gun owners in the US today but few of them will stand up for gun rights with their checkbook. If the NRA had even 25 million members out of the 80 million gun owners then you might be able to say they were the elephant in the living room.

Add up the members in GOA, SAF, NRA and all together they don't account for even 10% of gun owners. Its amazing that they are able to get anything done or influence any members of Congress. I think they do a fantastic job with the small amount of funding they get and the staff that they have.

Please join the pro-gun organization of your choice if you want to beat back this current push by the emotional anti-gun organizations to suppress your second amendment rights. Their push for more "Common Sense" laws are just to be stacked on manuals and manuals of the current Common Sense laws, that in many cases are not being enforced today. Laws that target the citizens of this country that are law abiding do nothing to stop criminal behavior.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Quote Originally Posted by Jamie6.5 View Post
And I don't think you are all that familiar with obama's background Suge.

He's been around gun ban advocates his entire career, from way back when the Joyce foundation started.

Personally I'm sure he's not a big fan of guns. Politically hes too much of pragmatist to expend the political capital and I'm sure hes conflicted as Constitutional expert on the 2A. However, his hand is being forced, which is my point. High cap mags and military style rifles are tough to defend for a large and growing contingent.

You guys would crack me up, if the kool-aide you regurgitate wasn't so sad.
The Healthcare law AKA "obamacre" was all his and a dem controlled congress' and was ANYTHING BUT pragmatic.
His request for additional stimulus funding was ANYTHING BUT pragmatic.
His "green energy" funding (AKA crony capitalism) was ANYTHING BUT pragmatic.
His handover of GM to his union pals (AKA payback) was ANYTHING BUT pragmatic.
Yes, when it comes to describing "signature" obama actions, "pragmatic" doesn't apply politically or otherwise.
Idealistic on the other hand, the very antithesis of "pragmatic," seems a perfect fit.

Here, read what "Pragmatic" really means, and tell us all you can defend that statement with a straight face:
Pragmatic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

prag·mat·ic
adjective \prag-&#712;ma-tik\

: relating to matters of fact or practical affairs often to the exclusion of intellectual or artistic matters : practical as opposed to idealistic

The people you're getting your spin from obviously don't understand the meaning of the word anymore than you do.
Pragmatic indeed.

 

[bellarum]

Why not take some of those tax dollars and retrofit all ground level classrooms to have an emergency exit to the outside. Have drills just like they do for fire and earthquake. couldnt cost that much to add a door.

 

[Chalupacabra]

Of course it's a terrible idea when the NRA mentions it but,
Clinton Pledges Funds to Add Police to Schools - Los Angeles Times

 

[Dave Workman]

lol yes there are some meanies out there

No, there are some despicably bigoted hate-mongers out there in Seattle, and some delusional apologists for them frequenting chat forums.

 

[one]

Its past time that someone allowed Vets and others to serve. The citizens protecting their community and their future (their kids) is utopian in a way. But with hundereds of retired vets and good people that are willing and able to serve in our community?...

Think of this.

Active school shooting.
Teachers chose if they carried concealed. Highest offices in the school were trained and certified along with community (Shield?) protectors.
Houses bordering schools were tax breaked for Military and Law Enforcement, Retired or active. All armed and networked with the school.

How far do you think anyone is going to get to the front steps?.....

Seniors in my High School had hunting rifles and shotguns in the gun rack and pistols under seats and in glove boxes. Entire history of the school there has never been a school shooting even to this day.

Schools in early America had a place for your rifle or pistol belt as most older children were armed escort for the little ones to get to school without wolves carrying them off.

It worked once... Why not give an Elder a respected place helping to protect students.

Funny thing is maybe this would bring out Elders back to help teach our community and heal these issues before they grow into what these young men became.

I blame the the communities of the young men for allowing them to become lost and despondent. They are the ones that neglected or abused these kids into thinking this is a path for them.

Had the community looked and took the time to reach these young men things would be different.
Give the Elders a place to help watch over out future. Background checks and training are the least we can do for people willing to protect our children for FREE. Imagine Fathers and Mothers taking kids to school and volunteering time to protect over everyones kids.