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Careful folks, passionate discussions are good, but divisive comments and snide jabs do nothing but divide us! Lets get the discussion back on track please!
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The current problem with the NRA is that it's almost impossible to fix at this point. Wayne, Marion, and their cronies have firmly entrenched themselves, surrounded themselves by loyal board members that they essentially hand pick, and recently changed the rules to make it even harder for new blood to get elected to the Board of Directors without the blessing of their nominating committee. Just look into Adam Kraut's attempts to run for the BoD and how much pushback he got, including from Marion Hammer directly.CC,
You hate the NRA - got it...their shortcomings put you in a tizzy, got that too.
I'm sorry, but spluttering with rage that the NRA isn't your cup of tea won't force them to clean house.
Maybe, members walking away 'may' help them do better, but just venting isn't going going to get the job done.
Most members and non-members see their need to do better, but simply excoriating them isn't terribly helpful, but sure it may help the complacent to sit up and take notice...or not, as rage against the machine turns off the listening of a lot of folks...
BTW, are you a current member?
Ever been a member?
If you're not a member, I extend my welcome for you to join on behalf of the NRA as a simple associate me own self...
Try it, you'll like it and it may help direct your efforts to help them help themselves.
Sorry, meant to answer your question in my previous post. Yes, I have been a member of the NRA, but am not currently. As to why not, I prefer not to associate myself with crooks or criminals, and have told them multiple times I will gladly rejoin once they remove LaPierre, Cox, and Hammer.CC,
Yup, they's bad and your researching skill is nonpareil, as you would have pro-gunners believe, but (without rancor) I don't trust your...perspective...
How have you managed to find all this dirt?
I find what you have to say more than a bit anti-gun, as in pro-gun control as in bring down the NRA for reasons the ahem, non-right, espouse as a means of bringing down the NRA...as in get that dreaded (by the non-right) organization actively hated even by pro-gun folk.
So, suffice it to say, your anti-NRA diatribes don't sway me.
Truly, I find what you say to be highly suspect...
Why not answer my questions: Are you a an NRA member or ever have been?
What, don't care to admit one way or the other?
Sounds rather lawyerly....is that your profession?
Are you pro-gun?
These questions are simple and easy to answer.
How anyone can continue to support and donate money to this organization is completely beyond me.
Or in the case of New York's laws regarding the fiduciary responsibility of the Board of Directors, this may end up with sanctions, or quite possibly the disbandment of the entire organization.The word "donate" is important because the NRA operates under at least two nonprofit status's. With nonprofit status comes certain rules and obligations which do not apply to for-profit organizations.
The Internal Revenue Service and the charitable activities sections of the various Attorney General's offices in the states in which NRA operates will likely play a big role in bringing the organization back into conformity.
Could you please let me know what you find out, regardless of outcome? If I am incorrect in my assertations, I would greatly appreciate a chance to apologize for them.CC,
OK, you've given me the impetus to look further into this.
I hope the corruption (what else could it be?) is something I'll look further into.
I hope you're wrong...
I know a long time NRA board member I can contact who is someone I respect.
Yeah, he's not your average member (like me) and is quite knowledgable being on the inside of the NRA.
Will he be candid with me?
Maybe, but he is a lawyer...and while we know each other, he's not a close personal friend.
If he'll be candid, I too will launch into 'bring this awfulness to a head,' so it can be immediately lanced.
Give me some time and I'll contact him.
On an aside, he helped frame the original Texas concealed carry laws and later the open carry laws.
George W. Bush often consulted him for Texas gun law advise...
Words don't ever work for anything. Reason is a fallacy.
Courts work. Law suits work. Buying Congress people work. Getting more people shooting works.
Words. Do. Not. Work.
Has anyone tried to contact a regional NRA rep and actually got a reply?
You didn't answer my question, though.
Would you feel the same way if magnified optics were banned? Would you still be so nonchalant about it, or would you be upset?
It always amazes me the hypocrisy of those that support infringement on the 2nd Amendment, as long as it doesn't affect them or their sport.
Did you ever hear back from them? Other that some "form type reply"? Would be interesting to hear how they responded if they did at all. Again though the real problem is voters. Every time some new stupid law gets put in how many gun owners admit they did nothing? Many you talk to did not even know the new law was being proposed, or that it was on the ballot. They (voters) could not be bothered. Until after something finally effects them. Then they get mad, and want to know why the fill in the blank gun group "allowed this" to happen. Been sad and amazing to watch. The only thing politicians fear is losing their job. Start kicking a few to the curb and many will suddenly have a "change of heart" so to speak. If they keep winning, why would they stop?I have. During the IP-43 fight, I corresponded with at least two state-level NRA reps.
Did you ever hear back from them? Other that some "form type reply"?
I did indeed. As I recall, I emailed, I was directed to another gentleman and given his email address, and we exchanged a few messages on the topic. I don't have the mail in front of me, but it was constructive. The NRA, along with OFF and OOC, sued over IP-43 and it was derailed. Alas, it is back from the grave as a legislation, but that is another topic.