Oh OHHH, you said the "P" word.Word choice, dude. You are clearly biased on this topic and using progressive-style demeaning language to make your opinion the only valid one.
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Oh OHHH, you said the "P" word.Word choice, dude. You are clearly biased on this topic and using progressive-style demeaning language to make your opinion the only valid one.
Really? Just no, I am not trying to force anyone to conform to my ideals. You can just take that "argument" and walk. All I am doing is presenting an argument for why things are the way they are and letting other do with that as they will. See my rimfire BB analogy in my prior comment for an example. It is import for us to be able to challenge false conceptions and present arguments for why they are incorrect. You may not like how I do that, but that does not make the actual issues any less important to discuss.Word choice, dude. You are clearly biased on this topic and using progressive-style demeaning language to make your opinion the only valid one.
I think maybe you meant @oremike ? I'm just watching the show. Not IN the show, on this one.Yeah..nah. I wasn't arguing. I'm pretty sure @Mikej and @Xaevian weren't arguing either. I posted an opinion. Your assertion that I'm presenting the strawman falls on its face given that I presented an article with BOTH opinions. I didn't respond to your 'argument' with only an ad-hominem attack on your methods. I presented the other side. There are two views here. Not just yours. You act as if we're discussing whether the earth is flat. If that were the case then I would have let your FACTS that the earth is round stand. Because, you know..it is.
The facts are that we have an awful lot of examples of defensive cases where the victim would be dead if they carried chamber empty. The facts are that with the proper equipment chamber loaded is as safe as chamber empty. That should be all you need to know to know the earth is round.Yeah..nah. I wasn't arguing. I'm pretty sure @Mikej and @Xaevian weren't arguing either. I posted an opinion. Your assertion that I'm presenting the strawman falls on its face given that I presented an article with BOTH opinions. I didn't respond to your 'argument' with only an ad-hominem attack on your methods. I presented the other side. There are two views here. Not just yours. You act as if we're discussing whether the earth is flat. If that were the case then I would have let your FACTS that the earth is round stand. Because, you know..it is.
I'm pretty sure this could be crafted as being written by Dr. SeussAs noted by many already in this thread....Practice.
Practice carrying around the house...
Practice carrying when doing everyday chores....
Practice carrying when doing the things that you do all throughout your work day....
Practice carrying when using the bathroom / restroom ...
Ensure that your firearm is empty and again , practice...
Practice drawing and re-holstering your firearm.
Practice carrying , drawing and re-holstering , with the different clothes that you wear....
Practice from drawing your firearm in different positions like sitting vs. standing....
Yep, and also try to remember to give that context when giving advice to less experienced people. I think that is the main sticking point in the most recent conversation here.Carry how works best for you, but recognize the limitations of your preferred method and train to minimize those limitations as best you can.
Yes you are. By basically saying do it your way or the other person is a moron.Really? Just no, I am not trying to force anyone to conform to my ideals.
No, you are presenting an argument for why you think your way is the best.All I am doing is presenting an argument for why things are the way they are
But your aren't giving all of the relevant info, just one side.That is what this discussion is about; giving people all the most relevant information so that they can make informed choices.
There is no actual study or analysis in existence that supports this opinion. This is purely anecdotal.facts are that we have an awful lot of examples of defensive cases where the victim would be dead if they carried chamber empty.
You can't seriously believe this. No matter what method or tech or technique, a loaded chamber cannot EVER be as safe as an unloaded one. Please find a negligent discharge where there wasn't a loaded chamber. That was rhetorical, there isn't one. Because it is not physically possible.The facts are that with the proper equipment chamber loaded is as safe as chamber empty. That should be all you need to know to know the earth is round.
I know of at least one example of a ND that started out in a chamber empty condition. A buddy racked the slide and then removed the mag but thought he did it in reverse order. I was there for that one. Carrying chamber empty does not make one immune to NDs, and it can be just as dangerous to assume it does. This is exactly the reason this kind of discussion needs to happen, we all have our blind spots.Yes you are. By basically saying do it your way or the other person is a moron.
No, you are presenting an argument for why you think your way is the best.
But your aren't giving all of the relevant info, just one side.
There is no actual study or analysis in existence that supports this opinion. This is purely anecdotal.
You can't seriously believe this. No matter what method or tech or technique, a loaded chamber cannot EVER be as safe as an unloaded one. Please find a negligent discharge where there wasn't a loaded chamber. That was rhetorical, there isn't one. Because it is not physically possible.
I don't even know why I am discussing this, since I don't care how a person carries, I just take issue with how it was presented. I see the same one sided arguments about open/concealed carry.
As Andy basically says, (major paraphrase here, @Andy54Hawken) carry how, what, and when you want. It is your life, not his.
Much better, thank you.I know of at least one example of a ND that started out in a chamber empty condition. A buddy racked the slide and then removed the mag but thought he did it in reverse order. I was there for that one. Carrying chamber empty does not make one immune to NDs, and it can be just as dangerous to assume it does. This is exactly the reason this kind of discussion needs to happen, we all have our blind spots.
My original point still stands, and I still think my original tone was perfectly acceptable. I take umbrage with being compared to someone willing to force an opinion on someone else when that is not what I was dong in the slightest.Much better, thank you.
I agree...Chambered vs unchambered. Risk mitigation is an actual thing. Everyone's risk threshold is different. There are pros and cons to both methods and neither should be discounted nor discouraged based on someone else's preference.
Sage advice. Many of my posts are not as much for the benefit of the OP as they are for others that may be lurking on a post.Yep, and also try to remember to give that context when giving advice to less experienced people. I think that is the main sticking point in the most recent conversation here.
Same hereSage advice. Many of my posts are not as much for the benefit of the OP as they are for others that may be lurking on a post.
Enjoy!If fanny pack carry has a renaissance, I'll be first in line.