Is 9MM good enough to bet your life on?

[ilikegunspdx]

Re .22 and incapacitation, this piece of crap $47 pawn store .22 revolver incapacitated 3 and sent one to the hospital via ricochet (4 of the shots). One of the 6 shots missed and the other one hit the bullet proof window. Something to think about.

 

[Member 53328]

Leaving your home to follow a retreating invader???

NOOOO!

If after exiting your home following a fleeing intruder an actual shooting occurred … well let's put it this way:

If I were a prosecuting attorney with a hard-on against private gun use/ownership I could not wish for a better scenario to allow me to hang the homeowner on charges, beginning with brandishing and moving all the way to murder if the "now former perp" becomes the victim of the murderous homeowner who chased him out of the house and "hunted him down" with his gun.

Once the immediate threat has ended (the guy is leaving) you want to consolidate your win and protect yourself from further harm. That means staying in the home which is known territory to you that provides cover, concealment, barrier protection etc. Chasing after the BG smacks of retribution and vengeance. You will never sell a jury that you were putting yourself in a better protective position by chasing after him.

My two cents.

Yup.

 

[Tony617]

From the article: "we don't know if the driver has a valid permit to carry, but that definitely is going to be part of the investigation"

This right here, that is tyranny and heads should have literally rolled for that a long time ago.

Even if the FedEx driver has a valid carry permit he will probably will be fired by FedEx since I do think he allowed to carrying on the job.

You can read the comments associated with article and there were comments saying the same thing,

 

[CLT65]

It's rather clear the horse was beaten dead with a baseball bat or some piece of wood shaped like one. This is why we need common sense baseball bat control.

Stick and club control too, as well as things like rolling pins and golf clubs, maybe a ban on making a fist? No, the socialists wouldn't go for that. They like to shake their fists in the air.

Back to the horse, I assumed it was already dead when the little smiley guy started beating it, since he's "beating a dead horse". Since this is a gun forum, I assumed someone here must have shot it.

 

[DLS]

Even if the FedEx driver has a valid carry permit he will probably will be fired by FedEx ...

He will be fired, now way around this as this is the company policy for every commercial carrier out there.

For this type of business / service I don't know of a single commercial liability insurance company that would allow employees to carry. Of course I don't know every policy out there … but I'd be severly surprised if there were even one.

 

[CLT65]

Another LEO vehicle pulled up and when the two were about about halfway up the driveway (50 yards approx.) I heard a loud yell 'Stay on the ground!" and the two turned and ran back to join the other LEOs who had a canine and it discovered the guy hiding in my neighbors yard laying down near his fence line and they all drew down on the guy.

I know this is off topic again, but this thread has wandered a lot anyhow, so I'll just add to that: You would logically think that once an intruder/creeper has left or been frightened off, they would leave far and fast. That could be a dangerous assumption to make.

Many years ago a friend of mine found this out. She was young, blond, and pretty. She liked to walk her dog. Part of the walk was on a stretch of road through woods, no houses nearby. One day she didn't take the dog. As she walked through the woods at dusk, she saw a young guy walking the other way. The next thing she knew, he was behind her, then he rushed up and grabbed her. Right then, a car went by and he let go. She hurried past the woods but he kept following; she couldn't outrun or shake him.

She finally made it home and fortunately her dad was there. The creep was nowhere to be seen but he called cops anyhow. They came out and looked around, and found the guy hiding and waiting in the neighbor's hedge!

The only thing I can figure is that once a dirtbag like that steels himself to commit a crime, he'll hang around and try again.

 

[Grumpa]

It's not the bullet, it's the shooter. Either you're good or you're not.

 

[bbbass]

Whatever.

I have never shot a hog. And apparently my employee had some X-Files support for the fake videos.

Merry Festivus.

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[CRBMoA]

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[bbbass]

Blood (The X-Files) - Wikipedia

"Do it now"

 

[Duge]

I know this is off topic again, but this thread has wandered a lot anyhow, so I'll just add to that: You would logically think that once an intruder/creeper has left or been frightened off, they would leave far and fast. That could be a dangerous assumption to make.

Many years ago a friend of mine found this out. She was young, blond, and pretty. She liked to walk her dog. Part of the walk was on a stretch of road through woods, no houses nearby. One day she didn't take the dog. As she walked through the woods at dusk, she saw a young guy walking the other way. The next thing she knew, he was behind her, then he rushed up and grabbed her. Right then, a car went by and he let go. She hurried past the woods but he kept following; she couldn't outrun or shake him.

She finally made it home and fortunately her dad was there. The creep was nowhere to be seen but he called cops anyhow. They came out and looked around, and found the guy hiding and waiting in the neighbor's hedge!

The only thing I can figure is that once a dirtbag like that steels himself to commit a crime, he'll hang around and try again.

This is totally why I keep pushing my wife to start carrying. We got her a Glock 43x, holster, concealed permit. Can't get her to carry it. It especially worries me now that we have a little one on the way.

 

[DLS]

This is totally why I keep pushing my wife to start carrying. We got her a Glock 43x, holster, concealed permit. Can't get her to carry it. It especially worries me now that we have a little one on the way.

Unfortunately, many times it takes a close call to really drive home the potential of harm that exists "out there".

My wife was content to have pepper spray buried in the bottom of her purse for many years … regardless of the conversations I had with her. It took being within spitting distance of a purse grab in a mall parking structure to change her mind. The purse grabber slammed the ladies face hard into the trunk deck by grabbing her hair on the back of he head and slamming her hard. The lady had severe injuries.

 

[pigiron]

Next up: 5.56x45 vs. 7.62x51.

 

[upstate88]

Ammo has come a long way. I have dispatched plenty of white tail deer with a 9mm.

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[The Heretic]

I have SIGs in 9mm, .357, .40 and .45 in P224, P229, P226 and P227

I do not feel under-gunned with any of them, but I have my choice for different purposes. My two favorites are the P226 in .40 (15 and 20 rd mags) and P227 Tactical (14 rounds) in .45 ACP. If either of those won't do the job, then my 460V probably would.

 

[Alexx1401]

He will be fired, now way around this as this is the company policy for every commercial carrier out there.

For this type of business / service I don't know of a single commercial liability insurance company that would allow employees to carry. Of course I don't know every policy out there … but I'd be severly surprised if there were even one.

He will of course be fired. If it was me I would expect to be fired. Have always carried at work. Many jobs did not allow it and would have termed me for it. I always figured if I was alive I could go get another job. Fine with me.

 

[Alexx1401]

Unfortunately, many times it takes a close call to really drive home the potential of harm that exists "out there".

My wife was content to have pepper spray buried in the bottom of her purse for many years … regardless of the conversations I had with her. It took being within spitting distance of a purse grab in a mall parking structure to change her mind. The purse grabber slammed the ladies face hard into the trunk deck by grabbing her hair on the back of he head and slamming her hard. The lady had severe injuries.

Yep sadly often it takes something like this. For mine it was some kook that shot up a mall north of us. She saw video of one victim. Had her elderly mother with her and could not get her Mom to move fast enough so they both got it. That sunk in with her as she could picture her and her Mom in the same spot. It got her to start to carry again which was great with me.

 

[The Heretic]

He will of course be fired. If it was me I would expect to be fired. Have always carried at work. Many jobs did not allow it and would have termed me for it. I always figured if I was alive I could go get another job. Fine with me.

If you are terminated for violating weapons policy at a place of employment, it can be difficult to get another job as the word can get around. Knew a guy who was terminated for job performance, and then had a restraining order taken out against him for bothering people at his former place of work. It was difficult for him to get another job. The word gets out thru back channels, especially about issues like this.

 

[DLS]

I'm betting it was job performance and the need for a restraining order figured in much more than the firearms violation.

The few (four) folks I knew who lost jobs because of carry policy violations did not have a problem in that the companies just let him go and did not spread the word to anybody else. In fact, these days giving a negative review, for even the biggest slime bucket out there, can get you slapped with a law suit from the fired individual. And they can win big settlements.

 

[The Heretic]

I'm betting it was job performance and the need for a restraining order figured in much more than the firearms violation.

The few (four) folks I knew who lost jobs because of carry policy violations did not have a problem in that the companies just let him go and did not spread the word to anybody else. In fact, these days giving a negative review, for even the biggest slime bucket out there, can get you slapped with a law suit from the fired individual. And they can win big settlements.

The guy I knew with the restraining order was not because of a firearm violation - it was tamer than that. Granted, the employer was paranoid about firearms, but I did not hear anything about firearms regarding this guy.

My point is that there are "back channels" in HR - HR people know other HR people. They don't broadcast it over email/etc. - they whisper it at lunch so that there is no record that can be used in court. The word gets out.

Also, if a person is terminated for a firearms policy violation you can bet that if the employer chooses to appeal the UI benefits, they will probably win.