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Interesting Article on Digital vs Dial

Discussion in 'Gun Safes & Secure Storage' started by Liberty97045, Feb 24, 2016.

  1. Liberty97045

    Liberty97045 Oregon City Well-Known Member

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    I found this article and thought it would be of interest.

    I have a dial safe and it is a bit more work to get into. (I have to keep glasses and a light on top of the safe so I can see the numbers) However they are more secure and will still work after TEOTWAWKI. Several digital models I looked at have a bypass key behind the keypad to facilitate opening in the event of failure and this worries me. I chose to have a slower dial safe and a ready access strong box for when speed is required.

    Some general thoughts on security:
    A smart thief would not attack the door of the average safe. (I am talking about safes, not box store Homak style cabinets here.) Cutting a window in the 0.120 steel that most safe bodies are made from can be done with a circular saw with a metal cutting blade in minutes. Please note: I am not posting a "how to" for the bad guys, they already know this stuff.

    That is why I recommend limiting the time and access someone has to break your box open.
    • Put your safe in an alcove or corner
    • Bolt it securely to the floor
    • Install an alarm and/or a "touch tamper" switch.
    This is an example of a touch tamper switch. Similar to a touch lamp the touch circuit is connected to the metal of your box. It senses the change of state when you touch bare metal so if someone were to try your dial it would trigger. There are many things you can do with this signal. Mine is connected to a ViVint sensor that sends me a text. This would be useful to know if family members are messing around. It could signal a break in or do a separate alarm of some kind. The down side is that these need power so they are easily defeated (if you know about them in advance)
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  2. IMEH

    IMEH OR New Member

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    Curious- your Vivint sensor dependent on an active monitoring alarm through Vivint, or can the sensor somehow run independently? I like that feature but don't necessarily desire the Vivint alarm system.

  3. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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  4. Liberty97045

    Liberty97045 Oregon City Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely, the possibilities are limited only by your imagination and technical skill.
  5. SVT-ROY

    SVT-ROY Tigard Resident Beretta guru

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    I never did like the electronic pad on my sentry bimart safe. But I just use it for ammo now. I like the dial on the sturdy safe I picked up. That along with a home security system and cameras makes me feel all warm and cozy. I wonder how good the wifi alarm would work through the 10g steel and ceramic lining. It's interesting though and I'll be looking into it. For now this may help... 20160303_070200.jpg
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  6. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    Another thought, what about the effects of an EMP on electronic locks.
  7. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    safes merely slow thieves down that's why my friend relies on concealment and diversion. PS keep as few items in your bedroom as possible, that's target #1
  8. GuyBMeredith

    GuyBMeredith Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    I'm not big on anything wireless or to do with the cloud as I figure any of that is open to hacking. I prefer hard wiring.

    The previous owner of this house left it with an ADT system. I do not think much of ADT, but this baby on battery power and hooked to sensors on the safe ought to scare the s**t out of a burglar. And the annoyance factor in the neighborhood along with a couple of blessedly nosy neighbors should get action quicker than ADT can handle it.

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    Last edited: Mar 20, 2016
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  9. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    How about this old timey method to discourage break ins.

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