Oregon Initiative Petition 43 (formerly Initiative Petition 42) Status Thread

[ItalianDragn]

Someone really needs to go to this and monitor. I would, but can't get out of work today.

saw something about a thing on the 29th

 

[ItalianDragn]

Me say, OryGun go constitutionl carry, gun sanctuary state, hearing safety act, mandated suppressors on all long guns, no NFA applications or taxes, Remove Suppressors, SBR, SBS, Pistol limits, non defined, and no mag restrictions, bring mandated gun safety to the schools to be run by a gun organisation of our chooseing! Let' get these demands on ballots and get them passed. Let's install term limits and pay amounts, and no outside billionaire influence! To represent the people, you actually must live here, you must be born here and been a life long resident!

IDK how to make this sort of thing happen, but I will help as I can

 

[nammac]

any secret squirrels going to check this out?
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UPDATE: Join us Thursday, May 24! There will be a press conference for the Lift Every Voice Oregon Campaign at 10:30 a.m. at Augustana Lutheran Church (corner of NE Knott and NE 15th St.), Portland Oregon. Interfaith leaders of the IP 43 Campaign will be joined by others to offer statements on Santa Fe and Thurston high schools, comments on the IP 43 Revised Ballot Title, and key announcements about statewide campaign developments, training and an ever-expanding network of support.

A training session will follow for those interested in circulating IP 43 when it is available.

The reason they have these at 10:30 in the morning, keep all of us working, tax paying folks from being able to attend...

 

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New Title:
Certified Ballot Title (appeal deadline: 06/07/2018)
Prohibits "assault weapons" (defined), "large capacity magazines" (defined), unless registered with state police. Criminal penalties

 

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New Title:
Certified Ballot Title (appeal deadline: 06/07/2018)
Prohibits "assault weapons" (defined), "large capacity magazines" (defined), unless registered with state police. Criminal penalties

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How would this play out if one were to submit a petition? Would that person then need to show up in Court to state a case?

 

[bolus]

How would this play out if one were to submit a petition? Would that person then need to show up in Court to state a case?

- call that number above to ask. 503-986-5555
- Consider getting a lawyer who will know the correct process
- Alternatively, call OFF and ask Kevin. Contact - Oregon Firearms Federation

I would ask Kevin if their attorney who is filing in supreme court as well thinks it would be better to support OFF in their effort, or if as many people as possible file separate appeals in supreme court to drag out the process well past the due date for signatures to be turned in.

Kevin is usually very responsive to calls and emails and provided hours of advice to us during our recall efforts. So always consider talking to Kevin for advice on these matters.

 

[tourproto]

Maybe this has been posted already, but got an email from Dennis Richardson regarding the complaints from many of us that IP 43 was too broad. Unfortunately it is not, per our SoS.

May 24, 2018
Fellow Oregonian,
Thank you for taking the time to participate in Oregon's initiative process by commenting on recent initiative petition ballot titles and process compliance. Over the last few weeks, we received an historic number of comments on several petitions. Our state is made better by passionate participation in the initiative process.

I am committed to fairly and impartially following the legal process for every initiative petition. The Secretary of State's Office is responsible for tasks like verifying petition signatures, processing required forms, and other administrative tasks. The Attorney General's Office is responsible for drafting ballot titles. Neither the Secretary of State nor the Attorney General has the authority to rule on whether a petition violates the US Constitution. Oregon law only allows such challenges to be decided by the courts after an initiative is approved by the voters.

One of the legal process requirements for petitions is that they must "embrace one subject only and matters properly connected" to the one subject. The Oregon Supreme Court has determined that a petition complies with this legal process requirement if there is a "unifying principle logically connecting all provisions." To help explain this requirement, in other legal cases, the Oregon Supreme Court decided that an initiative petition is considered as containing only one subject even though it includes all of the following provisions: (1) crime victims' rights, (2) admissibility of evidence at criminal trials, (3) release criteria for those accused of crimes, (4) criminal sentencing and orders for restitution, and (5) changes to the jury process in criminal cases. This legally binding precedent applies to Initiative Petition 43. Therefore, "firearms regulation" is legally considered as the "unifying principle" of Initiative Petition 43's various parts. The Secretary of State must follow legally binding precedent.

If you have any questions about the initiative process, please don't hesitate to let me know. We work for you and are here to serve.

Again, thank you for reaching out with your comments.

Sincerely,
Dennis Richardson

 

[jordanlund]

For those who didn't click the SOS letter above, it's from Dennis Richardson and explains why IP 43 qualifies under the "Single Subject" rule of the Oregon Constitution:

DENNIS RICHARDSON
SECRETARY OF STATE


May 24, 2018
Fellow Oregonian,
Thank you for taking the time to participate in Oregon's initiative process by commenting on recent initiative petition ballot titles and process compliance. Over the last few weeks, we received an historic number of comments on several petitions. Our state is made better by passionate participation in the initiative process.

I am committed to fairly and impartially following the legal process for every initiative petition. The Secretary of State's Office is responsible for tasks like verifying petition signatures, processing required forms, and other administrative tasks. The Attorney General's Office is responsible for drafting ballot titles. Neither the Secretary of State nor the Attorney General has the authority to rule on whether a petition violates the US Constitution. Oregon law only allows such challenges to be decided by the courts after an initiative is approved by the voters.

One of the legal process requirements for petitions is that they must "embrace one subject only and matters properly connected" to the one subject. The Oregon Supreme Court has determined that a petition complies with this legal process requirement if there is a "unifying principle logically connecting all provisions." To help explain this requirement, in other legal cases, the Oregon Supreme Court decided that an initiative petition is considered as containing only one subject even though it includes all of the following provisions: (1) crime victims' rights, (2) admissibility of evidence at criminal trials, (3) release criteria for those accused of crimes, (4) criminal sentencing and orders for restitution, and (5) changes to the jury process in criminal cases. This legally binding precedent applies to Initiative Petition 43.

Therefore, "firearms regulation" is legally considered as the "unifying principle" of Initiative Petition 43's various parts. The Secretary of State must follow legally binding precedent.
If you have any questions about the initiative process, please don't hesitate to let me know. We work for you and are here to serve.

Again, thank you for reaching out with your comments.
Sincerely,

Dennis Richardson

 

[tourproto]

Beat you by a nanosecond

 

[Diamondback]

With Repukeagains like this, who needs Demofascists?

 

[bolus]

For those who didn't click the SOS letter above, it's from Dennis Richardson and explains why IP 43 qualifies under the "Single Subject" rule of the Oregon Constitution:

DENNIS RICHARDSON
SECRETARY OF STATE


May 24, 2018
Fellow Oregonian,
Thank you for taking the time to participate in Oregon's initiative process by commenting on recent initiative petition ballot titles and process compliance. Over the last few weeks, we received an historic number of comments on several petitions. Our state is made better by passionate participation in the initiative process.

I am committed to fairly and impartially following the legal process for every initiative petition. The Secretary of State's Office is responsible for tasks like verifying petition signatures, processing required forms, and other administrative tasks. The Attorney General's Office is responsible for drafting ballot titles. Neither the Secretary of State nor the Attorney General has the authority to rule on whether a petition violates the US Constitution. Oregon law only allows such challenges to be decided by the courts after an initiative is approved by the voters.

One of the legal process requirements for petitions is that they must "embrace one subject only and matters properly connected" to the one subject. The Oregon Supreme Court has determined that a petition complies with this legal process requirement if there is a "unifying principle logically connecting all provisions." To help explain this requirement, in other legal cases, the Oregon Supreme Court decided that an initiative petition is considered as containing only one subject even though it includes all of the following provisions: (1) crime victims' rights, (2) admissibility of evidence at criminal trials, (3) release criteria for those accused of crimes, (4) criminal sentencing and orders for restitution, and (5) changes to the jury process in criminal cases. This legally binding precedent applies to Initiative Petition 43.

Therefore, "firearms regulation" is legally considered as the "unifying principle" of Initiative Petition 43's various parts. The Secretary of State must follow legally binding precedent.
If you have any questions about the initiative process, please don't hesitate to let me know. We work for you and are here to serve.

Again, thank you for reaching out with your comments.
Sincerely,

Dennis Richardson

that's nice and all, but that does not mean you cant still get your time in court and let the supreme court tell you that as well, hopefully after wasting a lot of time.

Remember the goal of the title challenge isnt to win and let them get a title to their petition, it is to drag it out as long as possible so they cant collect signatures before the deadline.

I dont care if your thought the title used bad grammar. argue it in court if you can financially cover the filing fee.

The supreme court cant just turn you away, they have to go through the steps as well.

pretend you are an anti-gunner. Dont use logic, dont stop if you think you dont have a case, not get quiet when you are clearly wrong. Make noise, drag it out, play dirty just like they do.

Remember how everyone in the public said our recall efforts were being done by the gun lobby? 3 guys working on weekends printing petition forms at home is not the gun lobby. They did everything possible to kill the recall petition. We need to do everything possible to kill this BS initiative.

 

[tourproto]

With Repukeagains like this, who needs Demofascists?

He has to follow the law regarding what is permissible in the initiative itself. Regardless of whether it is for gun control or trash collection, you have to look at all topics neutrally. He did his job. He can't unilaterally decide what is or isn't permissible based on his personal beliefs on the matter. Unlike the current gov.

 

[Ura-Ki]

He has to follow the law regarding what is permissible in the initiative itself. Regardless of whether it is for gun control or trash collection, you have to look at all topics neutrally. He did his job. He can't unilaterally decide what is or isn't permissible based on his personal beliefs on the matter. Unlike the current gov.

And nether can the Attorney General! Much as she would love to slip it to us holding hands with bloody Kate, she cannot, she is as bound by the law as every one else! Our system does work, as much as it seems not to at times, it does!

 

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Oregon attorney general issues ballot title for assault weapons ban

 

[Crohnos01]

So, I have a question: Is there anything to stop pro 2A folks from handing out flyers where I43 folks are gathering signatures which, to borrow from Paul Harvey, tells "the rest of the story" ?

 

[tkdguy]

So, I have a question: Is there anything to stop pro 2A folks from handing out flyers where I43 folks are gathering signatures which, to borrow from Paul Harvey, tells "the rest of the story" ?

I doubt it.

 

[Diamondback]

Only private-property owners and Trespass statutes if they ask you to take your counter-demonstration elsewhere...

 

[guido1161]

Dose anyone have an idea where they will be collecting signatures?

 

[SUPER X]

Dose anyone have an idea where they will be collecting signatures?

if you go to one of there training classes you would probably get that info and more

 

[etrain16]

Dose anyone have an idea where they will be collecting signatures?

They won't be collecting anything until the court challenges are resolved. There is a chance they may not even get to that point, depending on how quickly the courts can review the challenges.