Oregon Hillsboro Airport - Masked Gunman Grabs Helicopter - Confronted by CHL Holders

[etrain16]

Just heard about this on the news - awaiting more details, but here is a rundown:

A masked gunman hops the fence at Hillsboro Airport, approaches a running helicopter with a flight instructor and his girlfriend inside - orders them out and fires a round into the ground when they don't move fast enough. They run for cover and notify employees at the school of what is happening.

Now, here it gets interesting. 2 employees of the flight school are CHL holders - they run out and confront the man and hold him at gunpoint, waiting for police to arrive. It takes 16 MINUTES for Hillsboro police to arrive on scene. Once they get there, the bad guy takes off, hopping the fence again, where he is confronted by an officer, who shoots and kills the man.

Should be an interesting topic of discussion as more details emerge. I'm curious how it will be taken that two employees ran toward the bad guy, something typically the police would do. If one of them had shot the suspect, would they have had protection under the law since they left a place where they weren't in immediate danger and ran to the threat. Since they're not LE's, I do wonder how the law would look at that.

Seriously though - 16 MINUTES for police to arrive at an airport with a masked gunman/active shooter situation??? WTH??!

Thoughts?

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[U8395279]

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Now, here it gets interesting. 2 employees of the flight school are CHL holders

Where did you hear that? The news reports that I have read have most conveniently left that fact out of their reporting.

Does not surprise me, though.
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[Bushman]

When did you think that government was efficient??? I'm surprised it didn't take them longer, probably investigating an open carry situation, that's why it took them a bit of time...

 

[Diamondback]

Dunno about OR, but in WA you are allowed to use Deadly Force to stop the commission of a forcible felony upon another, IIRC.

Chapter 9A.16 RCW: DEFENSES

9A.16.020
Use of force—When lawful.
The use, attempt, or offer to use force upon or toward the person of another is not unlawful in the following cases:
(1) Whenever necessarily used by a public officer in the performance of a legal duty, or a person assisting the officer and acting under the officer's direction;
(2) Whenever necessarily used by a person arresting one who has committed a felony and delivering him or her to a public officer competent to receive him or her into custody;
(3) Whenever used by a party about to be injured, or by another lawfully aiding him or her, in preventing or attempting to prevent an offense against his or her person, or a malicious trespass, or other malicious interference with real or personal property lawfully in his or her possession, in case the force is not more than is necessary;
(4) Whenever reasonably used by a person to detain someone who enters or remains unlawfully in a building or on real property lawfully in the possession of such person, so long as such detention is reasonable in duration and manner to investigate the reason for the detained person's presence on the premises, and so long as the premises in question did not reasonably appear to be intended to be open to members of the public;
(5) Whenever used by a carrier of passengers or the carrier's authorized agent or servant, or other person assisting them at their request in expelling from a carriage, railway car, vessel, or other vehicle, a passenger who refuses to obey a lawful and reasonable regulation prescribed for the conduct of passengers, if such vehicle has first been stopped and the force used is not more than is necessary to expel the offender with reasonable regard to the offender's personal safety;
(6) Whenever used by any person to prevent a mentally ill, mentally incompetent, or mentally disabled person from committing an act dangerous to any person, or in enforcing necessary restraint for the protection or restoration to health of the person, during such period only as is necessary to obtain legal authority for the restraint or custody of the person.

Chapter 9A.16 RCW: DEFENSES
9A.16.050
Homicide—By other person—When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

 

[etrain16]

Where did you hear that? The news reports that I have read have most conveniently left that fact out of their reporting.

Does not surprise me, though.
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That was what was reported on the opening story (breaking news) here in the PDX area on KGW 8. They interviewed one of the employees and he reported that fact.

 

[etrain16]

Dunno about OR, but in WA you are allowed to use Deadly Force to stop the commission of a forcible felony upon another, IIRC.

Chapter 9A.16 RCW: DEFENSES

9A.16.020
Use of force—When lawful.
The use, attempt, or offer to use force upon or toward the person of another is not unlawful in the following cases:
(1) Whenever necessarily used by a public officer in the performance of a legal duty, or a person assisting the officer and acting under the officer's direction;
(2) Whenever necessarily used by a person arresting one who has committed a felony and delivering him or her to a public officer competent to receive him or her into custody;
(3) Whenever used by a party about to be injured, or by another lawfully aiding him or her, in preventing or attempting to prevent an offense against his or her person, or a malicious trespass, or other malicious interference with real or personal property lawfully in his or her possession, in case the force is not more than is necessary;
(4) Whenever reasonably used by a person to detain someone who enters or remains unlawfully in a building or on real property lawfully in the possession of such person, so long as such detention is reasonable in duration and manner to investigate the reason for the detained person's presence on the premises, and so long as the premises in question did not reasonably appear to be intended to be open to members of the public;
(5) Whenever used by a carrier of passengers or the carrier's authorized agent or servant, or other person assisting them at their request in expelling from a carriage, railway car, vessel, or other vehicle, a passenger who refuses to obey a lawful and reasonable regulation prescribed for the conduct of passengers, if such vehicle has first been stopped and the force used is not more than is necessary to expel the offender with reasonable regard to the offender's personal safety;
(6) Whenever used by any person to prevent a mentally ill, mentally incompetent, or mentally disabled person from committing an act dangerous to any person, or in enforcing necessary restraint for the protection or restoration to health of the person, during such period only as is necessary to obtain legal authority for the restraint or custody of the person.

Chapter 9A.16 RCW: DEFENSES
9A.16.050
Homicide—By other person—When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

I could see that, but the two folks he confronted had already gotten away, so at that point, no one's life was in immediate danger. The main threat at that point was him possibly stealing a helicopter.

 

[Sstrand]

16 minutes!! This confirms: When your door is kicked open you are on your own!!!!!!

Sheldon

 

[No_Regerts]

I could see that, but the two folks he confronted had already gotten away, so at that point, no one's life was in immediate danger. The main threat at that point was him possibly stealing a helicopter.

Im sure you could hurt someone with a helicopter. Especially since they require so much more training to fly than fixed wing aircraft.

 

[Kruel J]

Less than a mile from my house.

 

[Diamondback]

Im sure you could hurt someone with a helicopter. Especially since they require so much more training to fly than fixed wing aircraft.

No kidding, man... I'm scary-good with fixed-wing in the sim, but whirlybirds get pranged every time.

 

[No_Regerts]

No kidding, man... I'm scary-good with fixed-wing in the sim, but whirlybirds get pranged every time.

Helicopters make messy crashes.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Here is my thoughts, A Helo is a pretty complex machine to fly, and IF the Tango had gotten it in the air, he could have cause a ton of death and damage with it!
My bet with the two CHL holders is they each came up from the rear of the choppa and confronted the tango from both doors of that R-22!

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

Here is my thoughts, A Helo is a pretty complex machine to fly, and IF the Tango had gotten it in the air, he could have cause a ton of death and damage with it!
My bet with the two CHL holders is they each came up from the rear of the choppa and confronted the tango from both doors of that R-22!

Just read the KGW story and there were 3 CHL holders that kept him at bay for 16 minutes. When seconds count....

 

[415DET]

Not true. From the 911 call to the end of the incident, it was less than 4 minutes. From the HPD news release.


On July 3, 2017 at about 11:36 AM, Hillsboro Police Department officers were dispatched to a report of a male suspect attempting to steal a helicopter from Hillsboro Aero Air, located on the grounds of the Hillsboro Airport at 3565 NE Cornell Rd., Hillsboro, Oregon. It was reported that the suspect had jumped a fence into the secure flight line area, brandished a pistol, and ordered the two occupants, a male and a female, out of the helicopter. During the course of this exchange, the suspect fired a shot from his pistol, but neither the male nor the female was injured. The suspect then entered the helicopter as employees from Hillsboro Aero Air with personally owned pistols held the suspect at gunpoint in the helicopter.

The first HPD officer arrived at the location at about 11:39 AM, and the suspect immediately fled from the officer southbound. The suspect climbed over a fence and ran southbound across NE Cornell Rd. into a field adjacent to the east side of the Comfort Inn property in the 3500 block of NE Cornell Rd. Another HPD officer confronted the suspect at that point, and the officer fired his weapon at the suspect. The suspect was pronounced deceased at the scene.

The identity of the suspect and the officer are not being released at this time. The officer has been placed on paid administrative leave, which is standard procedure following any officer involved shooting.

The Washington County Major Crimes Team has assumed the lead investigative role in this case. No further updates will be available this evening. The next update to the case will be available on Wednesday, July 5.

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

Not true. From the 911 call to the end of the incident, it was less than 4 minutes. From the HPD news release.


On July 3, 2017 at about 11:36 AM, Hillsboro Police Department officers were dispatched to a report of a male suspect attempting to steal a helicopter from Hillsboro Aero Air, located on the grounds of the Hillsboro Airport at 3565 NE Cornell Rd., Hillsboro, Oregon. It was reported that the suspect had jumped a fence into the secure flight line area, brandished a pistol, and ordered the two occupants, a male and a female, out of the helicopter. During the course of this exchange, the suspect fired a shot from his pistol, but neither the male nor the female was injured. The suspect then entered the helicopter as employees from Hillsboro Aero Air with personally owned pistols held the suspect at gunpoint in the helicopter.

The first HPD officer arrived at the location at about 11:39 AM, and the suspect immediately fled from the officer southbound. The suspect climbed over a fence and ran southbound across NE Cornell Rd. into a field adjacent to the east side of the Comfort Inn property in the 3500 block of NE Cornell Rd. Another HPD officer confronted the suspect at that point, and the officer fired his weapon at the suspect. The suspect was pronounced deceased at the scene.

The identity of the suspect and the officer are not being released at this time. The officer has been placed on paid administrative leave, which is standard procedure following any officer involved shooting.

The Washington County Major Crimes Team has assumed the lead investigative role in this case. No further updates will be available this evening. The next update to the case will be available on Wednesday, July 5.

Thank you for the clarification, the KGW article stated 16 minutes between call and arrival of PD

 

[Lazyfaire]

I had seen that he was caught burglarizing a car in the lot and then ran and jumped the fence onto the tarmac. Was that true?
Did the guy even know how to fly a helicopter?
Isn't TSA at Hillsboro International?!

 

[Camelfilter]

Thank you for the clarification, the KGW article stated 16 minutes between call and arrival of PD

Poor reporting, typical. Probably more along the lines of 16 minutes from the call to the BG being no longer alive.

But, hey facts don't matter so much when they need to get a story out.

I'll further wager, that IF this story hits national news outlets, that the CHL aspect is completely omitted.

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

KEZI down here is now reporting it and leaving out the CHL piece.

 

[Camelfilter]

KEZI down here is now reporting it and leaving out the CHL piece.

That didn't take long at all...

 

[albin25]

There could be a big difference in the time it takes to dispatch officers(4mins) and the time it takes for them to actually arrive on the scene (16 minutes later) and find the location where they were sent. You could possibly add some additional time for them to assess who's doing what to who (and hopefully get it right).
Dispatch time and response time can often be very different...
...and the media won't make a distinction if it doesn't fit their narrative.