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Done. Emailed all of them on BCC with the below message. Doubt they will read it, but worth a shot.

After watching the hearing yesterday on TVW and reviewing the pros/cons (15 to 1 against) it is clear that a large number of constituents have serious concerns regarding this measure. I am one of those constituents, and I must respectfully urge you to not pass this bill out of committee.

We all agree that action needs to be taken to address gun violence - nobody wants to see guns of ANY kind in the hands of those who would abuse them. However, we need those actions to actually have an effect on the problem. Right now there are millions of "high capacity" magazines in Washington state - passing this law will not change that, therefore it will not prevent persons from obtaining them to use for malicious purposes such as mass shootings... nothing would prevent them from buying them illegally within the state or driving across state lines to buy them there. There is no way police could enforce this law, or stop persons from acquiring them.

This law would be selectively enforced by municipal, county, and state agencies. This would create an environment in which citizens could be singled out or targeted with legal penalty based on their age, race, religion, sexual orientation, or political leanings by authorities, using their possession of a "high capacity" magazine as a mechanism to legitimize the abuse or discrimination.

We need measures that will target the root causes of gun violence, not unenforceable laws based on good intentions and wishful thinking. There are many ways we could take real, meaningful, impactful action right now to mitigate this issue. Some examples include:

- Conflict resolution training to help children and adults learn how to mitigate and defuse hostile / potentially violent confrontations.

- Situational awareness training to help children and adults learn how to identify and avoid potentially violent situations.

- Education r.e. appropriate / legal use of firearms in self defense scenarios for persons who choose to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

- Enforcement of existing firearm laws, and restrictions on pleaing down serious firearm offenses.

- Effective mechanisms to legally remove firearms from the hands of those who are disturbed, mentally ill, or prone to violence (must ensure due process by guaranteeing a hearing within 1 week to challenge confiscation ruling, and have a mechanism to penalize false/malicious reporting).

The above options would actually have a measurable impact on gun violence in Washington state, and still respect the constitutional rights of the citizens.

A measure that would go a long way toward reducing negligent/irresponsible firearms usage (which is yet another serious problem that contributes to numerous gun injuries and deaths every year) is providing gun safety training children and adults so that they can learn about guns, how they work, and how to handle them without harming themselves or others. This does not have to involve real guns in classrooms - dummy guns and plastic replicas are adequate for the purpose.

The rationale behind this is simple - guns are in 1 out of every 3 homes in Washington state. The odds of a person (child or adult) encountering an unsecured firearm are extremely high. And yet we provide absolutely no education to them about firearms. Consider this:
- We teach people about drugs so that they understand the risks and know how to avoid serious harm or life-altering consequences.
- We teach people about alcohol so that they understand the risks and know how to avoid serious harm or life-altering consequences.
- We teach people about sex so that they understand the risks and know how to avoid serious harm or life-altering consequences.
- Guns can cause serious harm or death, and irreparably alter lives if they are misused, but we do NOT educate people about them. Instead we teach abstinence and avoidance. This means those people (children and adults alike) "learn" from fictional mediums like Hollywood or unvetted sources like Youtube instead of legitimate and reputable instructors. Basic gun safety education could easily save hundreds of Washingtonians each year - why is this not being done?

As a law-abiding, gun-owning citizen, I want to curb gun violence just as much as you do. Let's work together to actually solve the problem, and do so in a way that doesn't infringe on the our rights or limit our ability to effectively defend ourselves when necessary.

In closing, I have owned and carried firearms personally and professionally for over 15 years, and am happy to answer any questions you might have about firearms and their appropriate use in lawful self defense. Please don't hesitate to reach out if there is anything I can do provide insight on the subject.

Thank you for your time and attention.
 
Well, that was a really frustrating committee meeting to watch! Lots of solid points by the Republican members, but they fell on deaf ears. Again this proves that the Demoncrats have a complete disregard of their oath to uphold the Constitution and are hell bent on pushing their gun control agenda. This is not about safety! This is about the slow and methodical approach of working their way towards complete disarmament of the citizenship.

I hope people will remember this during the elections and vote them out!

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Well, that was a really frustrating committee meeting to watch! Lots of solid points by the Republican members, but they fell on deaf ears. Again this proves that the Demoncrats have a complete disregard of their oath to uphold the Constitution and are hell bent on pushing their gun control agenda. This is not about safety! This is about the slow and methodical approach of working their way towards complete disarmament of the citizenship.

I hope people will remember this during the elections and vote them out!

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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that will never happen again in Washington state because TOO MANY dumbgummers vote party lines without ever knowing what they've voted for !
 
Status update?
Bill was voted out of committee to proceed to House floor, with recommendation to pass. None of the proposed amendments (mostly to tone down the bill) were accepted.

I don't know the details on WA legislature proceedings; not sure if it will automatically be scheduled for floor vote, or if the House will need to accept it out of committee first, or other procedural things.
 
In other words - tyrants gonna tyrant and the only thing they respect is currently a bit too violent for the norms of our society and the law frowns upon it also.
 
As srxfan noted above, yesterday the House Civil Rights & Judiciary voted -- along party lines, as usual -- to advance ESSB 5078 to the full House.

"Senate Bill 5078 now heads to the House Rules Committee, where it awaits being pulled to the House floor for a vote." Read more here, including a couple of statements by our allies in the House:
 
February 21, 2022

Late last week, Magazine Ban legislation, Senate Bill 5078, was passed out of the House Committee on Civil Rights and Judiciary on a party-line 11-6 vote. Anti-gun legislators are pulling out all the stops to get this measure passed as soon as possible; it now heads to the Rules Committee and it could receive a final vote on the House Floor as early as Wednesday, February 23. It is extremely important that you contact your State Representative and ask them to OPPOSE Senate Bill 5078.


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This has already been proven to be unconstitutional but it WILL pass and hi cap mags will be banned until its fought in court. So what's the point ?
I hate being the fly in the soup but it's really tiring to fight these libtard, dumba** politicians who should be thrown out of office for violating their oath of office !
 
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In as much we have some a$$wipe politicians, what's worse, IMHO, is we have people putting them in office. Have any ideas how to educate a class of idiots?

Dan
 
In as much we have some a$$wipe politicians, what's worse, IMHO, is we have people putting them in office. Have any ideas how to educate a class of idiots?

Dan
Yeah, it starts when they are very young before their heads are filled with propaganda. At an adult age it would take a societal upheaval for them to see things beyond their ideology if they aren't already willing to examine the facts.
 
In as much we have some a$$wipe politicians, what's worse, IMHO, is we have people putting them in office. Have any ideas how to educate a class of idiots?

Dan
Well, there are two approaches . . . one is to educate the idiots, and the other is to get the non-idiots off their butts and get them to vote. :)
 

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