Does it make sense now to buy AR 15 high capacity mags...

[GWS]

I'm very familiar with all the potential strategy involved. I see it as a travesty that California's been allowed to muck around with their clear constitutional violations of he 2nd amendment as they have.

For the fed to allow select states to clearly violate the 2nd amendment sets a bad precedence that other states have followed. That combined with Oregon and Washington getting more and more California transplants every year. We are becoming "californiaized"

It is facile to simply blame Californians for all of this crap, especially when we can't get even half of the gun owners in this state to get off their asses and vote. There were more than enough gun owners to beat 1639. Where were they?
Yes lots of California libtards are coming here and may or may not be voting, but we know for a FACT that gun owners weren't voting. That's the real problem that needs to be fixed immediately!

 

[DirectDrive]

I like to call them "standard capacity".
"High capacity" is their language.

So yes, stock up.
Pmags and Okay Surefeeds....and maybe some Lancers as well.
My top three.

 

[Diamondback]

It is facile to simply blame Californians for all of this crap, especially when we can't get even half of the gun owners in this state to get off their asses and vote. There were more than enough gun owners to beat 1639. Where were they?
Yes lots of California libtards are coming here and may or may not be voting, but we know for a FACT that gun owners weren't voting. That's the real problem that needs to be fixed immediately!

Precisely. 24% (60% of 40%, or roughly the population of Seattle as a percentage of WA) made the rules for 100% with only 16% (40% of 40%) making their objection known at the ballot box.

Silence is Consent, people! Do you all WANT to live in Downtown Seattle? If not, GO VOTE ACCORDINGLY, because Seattle's gonna keep coming to us whether we like it or not. (Where I live the County Prosecutor is a Dem--about the only one I've voted for since Sonntag left as State Auditor--and even HE denounces "Seattle Liberals.")

 

[American123]

It is facile to simply blame Californians for all of this crap, especially when we can't get even half of the gun owners in this state to get off their asses and vote. There were more than enough gun owners to beat 1639. Where were they?
Yes lots of California libtards are coming here and may or may not be voting, but we know for a FACT that gun owners weren't voting. That's the real problem that needs to be fixed immediately!

Expecting people to do something different than what they have always done generally leads to disappointment.

You could have all "not one more inch" gun owners in the entire state vote 1 Way and they might win, however, the population centers of this state are super blue, vote super blue, and the numbers simply aren't there for gun owners if both sides showed up to the polls in mass. The only way to win at this stage is 1) gun owners show up to the polls in mass and vote in unison and hope the opposition doesn't act as organized.
2) seek/look for a judicial precedence to be set that negates attempts to limit gun rights.

It must also be understood that billionaires from out of state and within our state contribute to passing gun control laws in out state. We were outspent by a multiple fold margin. Major media outlets also very blatantly give positive air time to these efforts and very blatant in their lack of covering both sides of the argument, just the side they want to win.

Paul Allen, Bill gates, Bloomberg all chipped in to 1639

It's becoming "cool" to be anti gun in the anti freedom crowd with many companies taking a PR approach to incorporating that into their message.

There are many factors at play, can't put all the blame on just one, but some contribute heavily. The only thing that has kept us enjoying gun rights thus far is that we have a constitution that says so, otherwise, if it were simply a majority vote. The anti-freedom party has amassed enough 'I'll think whatever they tell me to think' supports, to win most majority votes.

Getting back to the point, I can easily blame Californians because if you look at the map of Washington and see all the red counties and their populations. The population in the super blue pollution centers has risen drastically.

The same number of conservative Washingtonians can't be expected to outvote a exponentially increasing number of adversaries.

 

[Diamondback]

Expecting people to do something different than what they have always done generally leads to disappointment.

You could have all "not one more inch" gun owners in the entire state vote 1 Way and they might win, however, the population centers of this state are super blue, vote super blue, and the numbers simply aren't there for gun owners if both sides showed up to the polls in mass. The only way to win at this stage is 1) gun owners show up to the polls in mass and vote in unison and hope the opposition doesn't act as organized.
2) seek/look for a judicial precedence to be set that negates attempts to limit gun rights.

IOW, push initiatives HARD in the off-years when turnout isn't as high.

 

[American123]

IOW, push initiatives HARD in the off-years when turnout isn't as high.

That's another great idea, except there is a convenient shooting that is televised 24/7 nationally about every time there is something pro-gun trying to be passed. Almost as if it is planned.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

*SALE*

Palmetto has 30 round, aluminum D&H mags with magpul followers for $6.99

Sale expires 5/2

 

[GWS]

Expecting people to do something different than what they have always done generally leads to disappointment.

You could have all "not one more inch" gun owners in the entire state vote 1 Way and they might win, however, the population centers of this state are super blue, vote super blue, and the numbers simply aren't there for gun owners if both sides showed up to the polls in mass. The only way to win at this stage is 1) gun owners show up to the polls in mass and vote in unison and hope the opposition doesn't act as organized. Yes! That's my point entirely.
2) seek/look for a judicial precedence to be set that negates attempts to limit gun rights. Always Plan B for us...

It must also be understood that billionaires from out of state and within our state contribute to passing gun control laws in out state. We were outspent by a multiple fold margin. Major media outlets also very blatantly give positive air time to these efforts and very blatant in their lack of covering both sides of the argument, just the side they want to win.
Paul Allen, Bill gates, Bloomberg all chipped in to 1639 So what? I saw nothing supporting 1639 Not one sign, not one commercial, and nothing on the radio. What did their money buy?

It's becoming "cool" to be anti gun in the anti freedom crowd with many companies taking a PR approach to incorporating that into their message.

There are many factors at play, can't put all the blame on just one, but some contribute heavily. The only thing that has kept us enjoying gun rights thus far is that we have a constitution that says so, otherwise, if it were simply a majority vote. The anti-freedom party has amassed enough 'I'll think whatever they tell me to think' supports, to win most majority votes.

Getting back to the point, I can easily blame Californians because if you look at the map of Washington and see all the red counties and their populations. The population in the super blue pollution centers has risen drastically. And they're all from California? Then how is California's (legal) population still growing? Libtardism(!) is growing everywhere. It doesn't need imports The schools have been indoctrinating kids for years with liberal/progressive crap for years. Why do you think socialism is becoming increasingly popular? Blame Californian expats if you like but that's like focusing on a wart while ignoring the cancer.

The same number of conservative Washingtonians can't be expected to outvote a exponentially increasing number of adversaries.

My replies in BOLD...
i still blame lazy gun owners for this loss.
Consider this:
Back in 2016, Gunmageddon passed in the PRK. That November, Prop 64 passed in the general election. Draconian gun bills had all passed.
CalGuns Foundation, CRPA, GOC and others began a petition drive to get a repeal on the next ballot. IIRC it was 7 separate petitions to sign, one for each aspect of those bills. We couldn't get 365,000 signatures to get repeals on the ballot. In a state with around 8 million gun owners, we couldn't get 4.5% of the gun owners to sign. I heard the stupidest excuses to not sign; "I'm not political." "I don't want to get on a list."(Really?) But the worst excuse of all was: "I'm not registered to vote." This from a guy who was just bubbleguming about these new laws at the counter of the gun shop!
I moved to Washington in time to join the fight against I-1639. I was impressed by the number of folks who showed up at the Vancouver Hilton for the NRA seminar on how to fight I-1639 (Thanks again to @SportingSystems for setting that up.) but at the same time I wondered why weren't there more?
You're right in that libtards local or expat, are going to do as libtards do. But I do expect gun owners to STOP doing what they do and get involved. And that means getting off their butts and becoming activists for themselves.
We always hear gun owners say how they'd blow away someone coming into their house to rob them, but too many do nothing when a politician or libtard want to steal their right to keep and bear arms.
It's gotta change.
Gun owner apathy/laziness/paranoia hurts us far more than any amount of libtards moving here.

 

[Ops]

whats high capacity? I use regular capacity mags

 

[American123]

My replies in BOLD...
i still blame lazy gun owners for this loss.
Consider this:
Back in 2016, Gunmageddon passed in the PRK. That November, Prop 64 passed in the general election. Draconian gun bills had all passed.
CalGuns Foundation, CRPA, GOC and others began a petition drive to get a repeal on the next ballot. IIRC it was 7 separate petitions to sign, one for each aspect of those bills. We couldn't get 365,000 signatures to get repeals on the ballot. In a state with around 8 million gun owners, we couldn't get 4.5% of the gun owners to sign. I heard the stupidest excuses to not sign; "I'm not political." "I don't want to get on a list."(Really?) But the worst excuse of all was: "I'm not registered to vote." This from a guy who was just bubbleguming about these new laws at the counter of the gun shop!
I moved to Washington in time to join the fight against I-1639. I was impressed by the number of folks who showed up at the Vancouver Hilton for the NRA seminar on how to fight I-1639 (Thanks again to @SportingSystems for setting that up.) but at the same time I wondered why weren't there more?
You're right in that libtards local or expat, are going to do as libtards do. But I do expect gun owners to STOP doing what they do and get involved. And that means getting off their butts and becoming activists for themselves.
We always hear gun owners say how they'd blow away someone coming into their house to rob them, but too many do nothing when a politician or libtard want to steal their right to keep and bear arms.
It's gotta change.
Gun owner apathy/laziness/paranoia hurts us far more than any amount of libtards moving here.

Your opinions are simply that however when you asked the question what did the money buy from anti-gun individuals giving millions to the cause Is it bought paid initiative signature gatherers to push the agenda in front of people with misleading tactics that sold the agenda primarily as a reduction in grocery taxes and cheaper car tabs and then overhead sign this one also it doesn't matter what it's about don't read that FinePrint it doesn't matter save kids ban guns etc. is it bought paid initiative signature gatherers to push the agenda in front of people with misleading tactics that sold the agenda primarily as a reduction in grocery taxes and cheaper car tabs and then O'Hare sign this one also it doesn't matter what it's about don't read that FinePrint it doesn't matter save kids ban guns ect

This state is immensely divided along the boundaries of major cities and everywhere else. The greatest population gains in the state to have taken place in D major citie The greatest population gains in the state to have taken place in The major cities and they have only become darker blue when the majority of all counties in the state voted down 1639 and it still passed because of the majority vote once again you can place blame where you wish however simply looking at the population density of this state will tell you generally how votes will go m The major cities and they have only become darker blue when the majority of all counties in the state voted down 1639 and it still passed because of the majority vote once again you can place blame where you wish however simply looking at the population density of this state will tell you generally how votes will go

 

[GWS]

Your opinions are simply that however when you asked the question what did the money buy from anti-gun individuals giving millions to the cause Is it bought paid initiative signature gatherers to push the agenda in front of people with misleading tactics that sold the agenda primarily as a reduction in grocery taxes and cheaper car tabs and then overhead sign this one also it doesn't matter what it's about don't read that FinePrint it doesn't matter save kids ban guns etc. is it bought paid initiative signature gatherers to push the agenda in front of people with misleading tactics that sold the agenda primarily as a reduction in grocery taxes and cheaper car tabs and then O'Hare sign this one also it doesn't matter what it's about don't read that FinePrint it doesn't matter save kids ban guns ect

This state is immensely divided along the boundaries of major cities and everywhere else. The greatest population gains in the state to have taken place in D major citie The greatest population gains in the state to have taken place in The major cities and they have only become darker blue when the majority of all counties in the state voted down 1639 and it still passed because of the majority vote once again you can place blame where you wish however simply looking at the population density of this state will tell you generally how votes will go m The major cities and they have only become darker blue when the majority of all counties in the state voted down 1639 and it still passed because of the majority vote once again you can place blame where you wish however simply looking at the population density of this state will tell you generally how votes will go

Ok great so I have my opinion and you have yours.
I see that the billionaires bought a crime with all their money and yes, the blue area votes outnumbered the red.
So instead of fixing blame how do you propose to fix the problem?
What is your solution to this? You can't run the liberals or Californians out of the state you don't appear to think that mobilizing gun owners will work. So how do you/we reverse this trend?

 

[American123]

Ok great so I have my opinion and you have yours.
I see that the billionaires bought a crime with all their money and yes, the blue area votes outnumbered the red.
So instead of fixing blame how do you propose to fix the problem?
What is your solution to this? You can't run the liberals or Californians out of the state you don't appear to think that mobilizing gun owners will work. So how do you/we reverse this trend?

Basic strategy:

If you are vastly outnumbered, trying to overpower the opponent won't work, numbers are on their side vote for vote.

Technology doesn't have an impact in this battle, so no technology advantage to leverage.

Only real (legal) option is to strike a critically vital area that stops their entire offensive. That would be the judicial system. The courts strike down and find rulings that completely dismantle laws. If we can't outvote them, we have to leverage the judicial system to hear cases that obliterate these infringing laws and set precedence to prevent future ones on a constitutional basis. Because that has been the only thing that has stopped mob rule leftism from fundamentally dismantling gun rights.

Then there is the acknowledgement that some battles are heavily mismatched and winnability is questionable.

I'm not saying awakening all gun owners to march to the same drum won't help, I'm just saying that only in a vacuum where all gun owners did and their was a lackluster appearance from the opposition would it matter. However, we know that the opposition vastly out markets, vastly outspends and vastly out campaigns for their side. They also have vastly deeper pockets to do so. We won't beat them head on trying to match dollar for dollar and vote for vote, it needs to be done at the judicial level.

At least until enough Americans are transformed into gun appreciating freedom loving folks by being positively and carefully brought into the fold that we do have enough of the population to win via outnumbering the opposition.

This is a cultural war and educational war much as it is a political one. People everyday are being told how bad guns are and how we would be better off without them, and without a thoughtfully put together and appealing to the audience message to the contrary, from a respectable source, the sheeple won't think any differently.

Getting popular movie stars, music artists and professional athletes into wholesome messaging promoting 2nd amendment rights would make a huge difference for most of the uneducated masses. Instead we have the opposite.

At the end of the day, we both want the same thing. I'm just adding a bit of realism to the equation and saying that expecting people to do something differently than what they've done in the past is less likely to occur than to expect them to do the same or similar things they've done in the past. If a certain percentage of voters make it out to vote, I'd expect that same percentage to make it out in the future and plan my strategy based on that, which is why I'm saying the judicial system is the way to go.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

What is this "High Capacity" you speak of?

I think the 100 round mags could be called high cap.

 

[Rudedog]

Buy them and keep them loaded. I organized mine with colored labels to identify the type of ammo. My practice ammo is ready for the next range trip. I like the metal mags by D&H. $89 for 10 of them with free shipping from Palmetto State Armory. I have old metal magazines from the 1970's and 1960's. Also a few pmags so the kids don't get upset by the sight of the vintage mags.

 

[Boboclown]

Was there a time when it didn't make sense to buy mags?

 

[titsonritz]

Was there a time when it didn't make sense to buy mags?

When CTD was selling PMags for 100 bucks a pop, short of that, it's just not coming to me.

 

[GWS]

When CTD was selling PMags for 100 bucks a pop, short of that, it's just not coming to me.

Back in late 1999 before SB-23 went into effect in the PRK
Surplus, used AR mags were going for $35 and up
Used FAL mags were $25+, M1A mags were $65 and up, HK mags were $15-$20
Gougers gonna gouge...

eta And a Beta-C magazine was $250!

 

[Boboclown]

When CTD was selling PMags for 100 bucks a pop, short of that, it's just not coming to me.

Well, now they cheap. Better to buy now. Hell I'm paying $50 a mag for my 106 before people try to sell em for $100 (and I ain't reselling the mags either).

Back in late 1999 before SB-23 went into effect in the PRK
Surplus, used AR mags were going for $35 and up
Used FAL mags were $25+, M1A mags were $65 and up, HK mags were $15-$20
Gougers gonna gouge...

eta And a Beta-C magazine was $250!

FAL mags still there...

 

[titsonritz]

Well, now they cheap. Better to buy now. Hell I'm paying $50 a mag for my 106 before people try to sell em for $100 (and I ain't reselling the mags either).

I got 10 more coming

Did you see these?
WTS OR - Circle 10, 5.56 mags

 

[Boboclown]

I got 10 more coming

Did you see these?
WTS OR - Circle 10, 5.56 mags

I've been buying green and black beryl mags. Green from AoA, black ones from a guy I know.