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Do pot & guns mix?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by thelendog, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. thelendog

    thelendog Milwaukie Member

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    Whaddya think of this? Seems that if it's legal, than it's legal. BUT, is does also seem kinda sketch. :huh:
     
  2. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Seems unwise to combine guns and anthing that alters your perception, judgment, or abilities.
     
  3. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Lets change this up for perspective. Should people that occasionally drink alcohol be banned from obtaining a CHL?

    The Federal law clearly states "under the influence of illegal drugs" Medical marijuana is a legal drug. I'm betting it will pass as this has serious implications for the rights of other legal drugs vs CHL if they call one legal drug OK and another verboten. Plus take the new administrations call for the feds to leave the medical marijuana stoners alone and we have a almost sure thing from a purely law stand point.
     
  4. NK777

    NK777 West of Portland Member

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    Legal or not it unwise to get high or drunk operating any dangerous equipment requiring a sound mind to operate.

    legal or illegal does not equal right or wrong.

    Is it arguably wrong to be intoxicated and shoot? Absolutely even if it is technically legal.
     
  5. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I feel we must put the same legal restrictions on marijuana as alcohol and it will work out fine, or no worse than alcohols societal problems anyways.
     
  6. spider

    spider Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I know they had some story where medical marijuana patients in Washington county couldn't get a chl and its even a two part question on the application. For me I was torn between following my hippy friends or going class 3 since I know for sure if feds knew you grow and you're trying to get a full auto ump 45 carbine that would raise a red flag.
    On another note I Can't believe they have smoking lounges already and most are on the eastside.
     
  7. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    I think it's un-wise to carry while high.

    Now. If you separate the two activities, there is no problem. I've simply seen people get high, and do a lot of stupid, potentially injuring stuff that they wouldn't be compelled to do while sober.

    If you're high enough, I could see someone pulling out a gun and shooting some bottles in their living room. Something like that, just because it's fun.
     
  8. A2theK

    A2theK Olympia Member

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    I don't know does a baby and hot water go together?

    Is it OK to smoke while spraying starting fluid in the air?


    Come on...
     
  9. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I am not sure were I fall on this one. I do not think people should be disallowed from protecting themselves simply because they are on pain medication or drink occasionally. I do think that it should be illegal to carry while under the influence of any drug...legal or not.

    When someone is a true pain sufferer the effects of marijuana are pretty much negated. You do not get the altered high you get as a recreational user so I am not sure how there ability to carry safely would be affected.

    However, one thing I am sure of is that the Oregon medical marijuana thing is widely abused. I have had four employees that had their marijuana card. Only one of them has good reason. The other three are perfectly healthy and just bull$%#@%$# their way into getting the cards. SO I know for a fact that a lot of the people with the cards are not ill. They are simply stoners...and I would never want a stoner carrying a loaded firearm.
     
  10. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much agree with you, but what about "boozers"?

    Are they in the same category as "stoners?"
     
  11. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    How about alcohol?

    I'm dubious as to whether marijuana does any thing for pain personally

    I would agree with this. I know a handful med marijuana card holders and everyone of them just wants a "get stoned hall pass" but I'm OK with that.

    As far as stoners carrying a gun I would say like alcohol there is a difference in stoners just like there is a difference in drinkers, some are responsible some are not.

    Marijuana laws are pretty stupid and need to be changed and that's coming from someone that doesn't "inhale". See I'm maybe not the Neocon you thought I was! ;)
     
  12. .45's and .38's

    .45's and .38's Happy Valley OR Well-Known Member

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    Like people have said, Going to the bar and getting drunk with a CCW is 1000 times worse than getting high and sitting on your couch. Havent you seen the commercials where the kids just getting high on his couch and time is passing him then its over. Pretty much saying you get lazy. I think going out in public and getting hammered, where you could possibly fight or accidently show your CCW because your dancing around is way worse than pot & guns. Still Pot and guns would not be a very smart idea at all. I think you need to be very focused to shoot straight.
     
  13. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I consider alcohol no different than any other mind altering drug.
    Not me...the studies I have seen have been pretty thorough and where pretty conclusive. Plus, I have several cancer victims in my family who's lives where made much more bearable by marijuana.
    I would actually think the neo-con opinion on marijuana would be to legalize it. There is a ton of cash to be made and neo-cons are all about the cash and the influence it can purchase. It is one topic on which I would agree with them. :)
    I agree. I do not smoke pot, or even drink alcohol, but I am okay with other people doing as they please with their own bodies. If they can do it in a responsible manner I have no problems with them at all. If they prove otherwise (IE: public intox or other issues) I have no problem with them losing basic rights because of their own failings.
     
  14. SavageGerbil

    SavageGerbil Salem, OR Active Member

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    I'm of the opinion that if you need medication, whatever it is, you shouldn't be denied the right to defend yourself. I also say that if 1000 people have the card or whatever medical treatment based on fraud, and 1 person who genuinely needs it the program needs to exist. I've been going through **** lately trying to get proper pain management due to junkys abusing the system, I haven't even really considered pursuing the medical marijuana system, partly because I don't know if it'll work for me, but mostly because I'd be afraid to lose the right to defend myself.

    Complicated issues but I see no reason it shouldn't be for MMJ patients exactly the same as the rest of us, screw up once and get your card yanked, and if you screw up bad enough, face criminal charges. I don't want to see being sick wind up on the already staggering list in this country of reasons you're required to be defenseless.
     
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    USMC1911 Salem Active Member

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    :thumbup:
     
  16. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    huntpotter SW WA Negotiator Bronze Supporter

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    Sorry, But I have to do this. Gun-Bong.
     
  19. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    "You put your weed in there!"
     
  20. huntpotter

    huntpotter SW WA Negotiator Bronze Supporter

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    Gives new meaning to "load your bong".