Daughter has to pull her pistol ...

[Alexx1401]

When I was a kid, I talked to a deputy who said in 22 years, he never had to draw his gun.

Fast forward 25 years and Im in my 14th year and my gun comes out several times every month. Things are different.

I have said many times. The job LEO is NOTHING like it was when I was a kid. Few fought with a Cop, they knew the result. Fewer still would take a shot at a Cop, they also knew the result. Now days? It's a common thing to start a fight if some Cop tells you "you are under arrest". Then of course scream that the Cop hurt you. Common to also pull or try to pull a weapon on a Cop, and even shoot at one. The big difference is all the scum has a huge following making excuses for them.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

There is a reason I am teaching my 6 year old daughter (& to a lesser extent my 5 year old daughter) gun safety and how to shoot. I want them safe and comfortable enough around guns to be safe, competent and not fearful. I figure you start early. My oldest has been shooting at TCGC. My younger is not quite ready. They are going to learn bows, some martial arts and firearms, at a minimum. I will not raise victims, but warriors.

 

[Mygrainman]

Great now I gotta get some lazer grips for the wife's 32mag...
My daughter turns 17 on 9/11(yep that day) and I can't wait until I have the piece of mind knowing she has a CPL, still too many years away!! it sucks because she's better qualified than most to carry even at her age, and as a cute little teenager very much in need of the extra protection.
She's been raised around guns, and even helps me at gun shows from time to time, she has always had a poster of Coopers 4 on her bedroom wall where she has to look at it every day... when shes not at the school she has knives(flips a Bali like a pro), pepper spray, a tazer, and one heck of a right hook. Still want her to be packin ASAP though!

 

[bivy53]

There is a reason I am teaching my 6 year old daughter (& to a lesser extent my 5 year old daughter) gun safety and how to shoot. I want them safe and comfortable enough around guns to be safe, competent and not fearful. I figure you start early. My oldest has been shooting at TCGC. My younger is not quite ready. They are going to learn bows, some martial arts and firearms, at a minimum. I will not raise victims, but warriors.

Great now I gotta get some lazer grips for the wife's 32mag...
My daughter turns 17 on 9/11(yep that day) and I can't wait until I have the piece of mind knowing she has a CPL, still too many years away!! it sucks because she's better qualified than most to carry even at her age, and as a cute little teenager very much in need of the extra protection.
She's been raised around guns, and even helps me at gun shows from time to time, she has always had a poster of Coopers 4 on her bedroom wall where she has to look at it every day... when shes not at the school she has knives(flips a Bali like a pro), pepper spray, a tazer, and one heck of a right hook. Still want her to be packin ASAP though!

Good on both of you! If I could like more times I would! "Raise up a child in the way that he(or she)should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." Above all else, protection of self and others is a Biblical mandate.
(Nehemiah chapter 4)

 

[OldBroad44]

I also think that lots of women just do not comprehend that many alpha males are raised to be "protective" and "respectful" of women and would go to great aggressive extents to protect the women that they care for or other women in need or their children.

I think most women understand male protectiveness a lot better than most men realize. Most sexual assaults are committed by someone the woman knows. In most cases the woman tells no one. Certainly not her father, husband, or brothers. From the woman's point of view, it is a lose lose situation. Either the men who love her don't believe her, or blame her, in which case she will accomplish nothing and maybe lose her familys love or respect. Or they do. In which case father, mate, or brother may go after bad guy, and possibly get killed or end up in prison for assault or murder. Of course, the retribution might be successful. The bad guy might disappear or turn up murdered. In which case the woman then has the possibility of her loved one getting caught hanging over her head for the rest of her life. I think many women who have been assaulted keep quiet through fear of not being believed or further humiliated by LE or the legal process or because they consider it at least partly their fault. But I suspect even more keep quiet in order to protect the men they love from being involved in an assault or murder or prison sentence or life as a fugitive.

 

[tkdguy]

I think most women understand male protectiveness a lot better than most men realize. Most sexual assaults are committed by someone the woman knows. In most cases the woman tells no one. Certainly not her father, husband, or brothers. From the woman's point of view, it is a lose lose situation. Either the men who love her don't believe her, or blame her, in which case she will accomplish nothing and maybe lose her familys love or respect. Or they do. In which case father, mate, or brother may go after bad guy, and possibly get killed or end up in prison for assault or murder. Of course, the retribution might be successful. The bad guy might disappear or turn up murdered. In which case the woman then has the possibility of her loved one getting caught hanging over her head for the rest of her life. I think many women who have been assaulted keep quiet through fear of not being believed or further humiliated by LE or the legal process or because they consider it at least partly their fault. But I suspect even more keep quiet in order to protect the men they love from being involved in an assault or murder or prison sentence or life as a fugitive.

Makes good sense. Thanks.

 

[soberups]

So for the second time in about a month my daughter has had to pull her pistol. The first time an ex-boyfriend broke into her apt. She put a laser on his forehead until the police arrived to haul his @$$ off.
Yesterday she was in the Beaverton Costco parking lot when a very large, black, crackhead tried to break the window of her car to get to her. The little Keltec p32 has a crimson trace mounted on it. Apparently the p.o.s. wasn't too thrilled to find a red dot over his heart and ran into the store. She called the police, told them what had transpired, that she was armed, and that she would remain that way until they arrived. Said when she saw them drive up she would unload her piece, place it on the dash and have her hands up when they approached. Two Beaverton officers showed up, located and arrested the guy. They said they were glad she had her weapon with her as this guy was very high and in Superman mode. They escorted her to Cornelius Pass and told her to keep her weapon loaded and next to her on the seat until she got home. She told me she was ready and willing to shoot the guy, and it was a very sickening feeling.
Another happy ending for a well trained and awake lady shooter, who just happens to be my little girl.
p.s. don't scoff at .32acp or Keltec. Has saved her bacon twice now. Oh, and lasers work!

My personal experience with the Kel Tec P32 was that, on two seperate occasions, it failed to cleanly euthanize deer that had been hit by cars even though I shot them in the head at point plank range with .32ACP Silvertip hollowpoints. It took multiple headshots and both of the deer were still able to get up and stagger around before finally dying. After the second failure I upgraded to a Ruger LCR .38+P and never looked back.
I am glad your daughter is safe but I would urge you to consider getting her into a more suitable choice of gun for self defense...

 

[Defense Minister]

It's been said here already, but PLEASE get her something more effective than a .32 (even if it's a .380). If one of these jokers forces her to use it, you and her will be glad you did!

So glad she has the emotional fortitude that she does. You've taught her well!

 

[Defense Minister]

You might try having her read this thread?

Sent the link to my wife and 15 yo daughter. Probably won't read it, but I have to do my duty even if they won't do theirs.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

My personal experience with the Kel Tec P32 was that, on two seperate occasions, it failed to cleanly euthanize deer that had been hit by cars even though I shot them in the head at point plank range with .32ACP Silvertip hollowpoints. It took multiple headshots and both of the deer were still able to get up and stagger around before finally dying.

It is hard to get a hollowpoint to expand out of such a short barrel. Hopefully the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Cavitator will do better. My wife carries with the extended 8 round magazine so I figure three servings against bad guys of three shots each. A P32 on the hip is better than an LCR in the purse when seconds count.

 

[revjen45]

Just a thought: Ruger LCR in .327 Mag. That's one .32 that looks like it would work for serious social work.

 

[bivy53]

Thanks for all the thoughts and caliber advice, but, and it's a BIG but, it is the gun and caliber that she chose and suits her and since stopping the threat is the goal, it seems the laser has been the critical piece in both of these incidents. Besides the fact that if .32acp is so horrible, why, oh why have so many militaries and police units around the world issued it as a duty caliber, and many still use it today? I'be seen what a .32 is capable of and want no part of the business end of one ... or seven.
Yes, .380 or 9mm or .45 or ... whatever might be y'all's choice, but this is hers and she carries it 24/7.

 

[11Charlie]

Better to carry what you are proficient and comfortable with than not carry at all. I say good for her.

 

[KahrHeart]

I have been carrying and teaching firearm classes for more than 20 years. In all that time, I have never had to pull my firearm on anybody.
Until 2 weeks ago.
My husband and I were working in our office and noticed that a vagrant kept walking by the door.
He opened our door and asked what day it was. My husband told him, but he stood there looking around the office for a minute before leaving. He made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
Neighboring businesses called to tell me that he was tearing up my flower baskets on the sidewalk, but I was on the phone with a client and busy, (and the flowers were getting old anyway) so I didn't do anything.
About 30 minutes later, he was back, looking into our window. He saw my security camera and freaked out....came running through the door and into our office screaming that he wanted the video footage and that we had no right to film him, etc...
My husband calmly told him that it was a traffic camera (which it actually is), but he went after the camera system and jerked it out of my wall.
My husband came out from behind his desk...and the guy charged him.
Without even a conscious thought, my training kicked in and I drew my gun. I moved to the side as my husband was between us and I needed to have a clear shot.
(I was later very surprised at how quick my reaction was.)
He looked past my husband and looked straight down the barrel of my gun as I had him sighted in.
He threw his hands up quickly...stating, "I don't want any trouble." but he kept moving forwards towards my husband.
His eyes were creepy. He looked very much like a young Charles Manson.
Of course at this point, my husband had his back to me still and thought the guy was reacting to him...thinking himself terribly intimidating. (When he turned around later and saw me there, he was sorely disappointed!)
I backed the guy out the front door and held him there as he kept trying to get back in. My husband called 911.
I was able to lock the door, but he stood there making faces and taunting me, rattling the doors and threatening to kick them!
The police station is actually about 100 feet from our door, but the 911 dispatch re-routes to a neighboring large city and then back to our small town.
It took 8 minutes after calling them for them to get there, with me holding my gun on him until they arrived.
I was asked if I wanted to press charges and I said yes...with no hesitation. They took him to jail ...and he was out and back the next day. Apparently the judge was told that I didn't want to press charges, so he was let out.
Now, he shows up often and stands across the street with his arms folded staring at my office.
The police Chief has now notified me that if he is seen again, he will be kept in jail. (He also has recent arrests in Eugene for menacing, stalking, Illegal use of a weapon and trespassing.)
Regardless, I have now upgraded my office security to include an under-desk mounted .40 cal.
It took about 3 days for the adrenaline to wear off!

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

Kudos for raising your daughter right! The one and only time I have had to pull my gun was in Beaverton in front of the Ulta store next to Winco. A drugged up pan handler tried to force entry into my car while I was sitting out front waiting for my wife. When he saw the muzzle he put his hands up and said "I should probably go" and ran off. I called Beaverton PD and advised what occurred, not sure if they ever caught up with him. (I now make sure my car doors are locked when I am sitting in the vehicle)

 

[nammac]

It's sad that there's an element of our society that has no respect for others property or personal space. I've also taken to locked doors when waiting in the vehicle.

 

[bbbass]

Are you two the guys that sit in a parked car in the emergency zone in front of The Walmart?

 

[aksu747]

I would encourage her to take some extra time to process what has transpired. After I had to hold a guy with his head in my sights for 29 minutes I was a wreck It honestly messed with me for awhile. I would just encourage anybody who goes through this to take some extra time for self care. Having had to draw on a human before, even though things went well, it takes a heavy toll. I don't think a heavier weight has ever been held by me than the slack of a trigger pulled right to the break with sights on a man's head.

SO I would encourage her to take some extra time to take care of herself and keep the pistol handy.

It's no easier either if it someone you grew up with, I had to draw on an old friend and was prepared to shoot.
Shakes you up a little,but if you have been preparing your mind for a self-defense situation I believe it wouldn't be so difficult.
I think the mental training is just as important if not more so in some ways than the physical training.
Total stranger,not to sound cold would be a lot easier for me to put a round or three into than my friend I grew up with.
That was in May and I still run that situation through my head, if I didn't have protection from the Lord and my gun that night I'd be dead.

 

[Lazyfaire]

It's sad that there's an element of our society that has no respect for others property or personal space. I've also taken to locked doors when waiting in the vehicle.

Why should they care? They know they won't spend much time in jail, if they are charged with a crime or not.

 

[tac]

'Smile and be nice to everyone you meet, but have a plan to kill them if necessary.'