Biggest thing I am taking away from this is. They carry too and aren't afraid of using it against authority figures or places of education/around children. Be it internet extremist or active member of a outspoken group i'd be willing to bet even if you have pink hair and a left leaning message shirt there still a 9/40/45 on that hip or AIWB etc.
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Oregon Cascade Middle School Shooting
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Manhandling? He wasn't even put into an actual escort technique and it was the fact they had him out the door that likely kept someone in the school from taking around. 3 rounds went yonder before one connected.
Its proof that no type of physical contact looks good on camera, no matter how righteous. He was asked to leave, he wasn't leaving. He was directed to leave and didn't comply. He is now trespassing. He didn't get put into a counter joint technique or anything, he was pushed toward the door. He was informed he was under arrest and began to struggle. Looks like the officer attempted to armbar him at that point. The close contact probably kept him from drawing and getting off aimed fire. The continued physical contact while he was shooting probably saved at least the officer's lives. But people think he was manhandled.
If I tell someone they are under arrest, I give them a chance to comply as I close distance. I then tell them I will use force or they can do as I say, as I get to light contact and guidance. If they don't comply and start to resist, they eat wall/asphalt/whatever.
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First off, I agree that Landros was a ticking time bomb and the shooting was justified. However, I disagree with the statements of yours which I bolded. Based on the written press release by the DA of what happened prior, and the video which we were shown: Landros was asserting that the Principal was the only one who could ask him to leave. As soon Officer Timm said "I am the school resource off..." Landros stopped talking, turned and started to walk toward the exit with some words that are bleeped. Officer Johns grabbed his arm and Landros is swearing as Officer Timm says "Your going to end up..." Officer Johns continues to manhandle him even after they were out the door. Landros yelled "No No" or "Go Go" as Officer Timm said "Your under arrest".
They wanted him to leave and he was leaving, so not trespassing. The DA's press release stated that Both officers believed they had probable cause to arrest Charles Landeros for disorderly conduct, so that may fly. In 20/20 hindsight Officer Johns unnecessarily escalated the situation by grabbing Landros as he was leaving and continuing to hold on to him after they were out the door. Or, if Officer Johns let go Landros may have gone home and killed both his kids rather than let his ex have them. We will never know.
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For one, hindsight is inadmissible in use of force reviews and there is no hindsight here. No more information was gained that makes Landros a victim or the officer's actions unreasonable.
Secondly, people tell you you have no authority to do this or that. Pretty sure police other than the SRO wouldn't be on scene if there was no reason. Oh, and people always say they are leaving and/or complying when they are really not. Believing them is dumb. Thats how they get around you and do bad things and you end up getting fired for it.
Third, Officer Johns kept Landros from being able to get down the hall and Officer Timm kept him from having somewhere else to go. I'm not sure where Landros' child comes into play, but reports say the kid walked into the incident as it was unfolding. Had the officer let go, who knows what Landros intentions were with that kid and/or the mother.
Fourth, the officer didn't escalate the situation, he was trying to control the situation. Landros' behavior escalated and the officers reacted. As soon as Landros became beligerent and pushed back at the officer, they had an assault. Even if you assume the officers were trying to bum beef the dude, when is it okay to draw and start shooting as a response?
I went back and watched it 20 times, 10 at full speed and 10 at half speed. And I gotta say that it looks like the guy was making a move to get around the officer (maybe he saw his daughter at that point) when he was stopped by quick thinking physical contact... The officer cannot know what his intentions were... but the guy was prohibited from seeing his daughter and was supposed to leave... he continued to push against that officer as he was directed out the door.
Yup, the courts can be biased against men, they can be arbitrary, but it looks like they were justified/correct that this guy was a danger even before this incident.
When in contact with legal authorities, LEOs, you do what they tell you to do! Even if you disagree!!! If you don't, you are breaking the law and can be arrested. So sort it all out later!
Yup, the courts can be biased against men, they can be arbitrary, but it looks like they were justified/correct that this guy was a danger even before this incident.
When in contact with legal authorities, LEOs, you do what they tell you to do! Even if you disagree!!! If you don't, you are breaking the law and can be arrested. So sort it all out later!
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And realize that there are some situations where not following a directive will result in immediate hands-on.
I suspect the decision to arrest "they"
had already been made prior to exiting the building and that the officers wanted the arrest to happen outside where the danger to bystanders was lessened. Feel sorry for "their" kid having exposed to this, however from what I see from the video the officers were well justified and likely prevented this ticking time bomb form causing a bad situation to become much worse.
had already been made prior to exiting the building and that the officers wanted the arrest to happen outside where the danger to bystanders was lessened. Feel sorry for "their" kid having exposed to this, however from what I see from the video the officers were well justified and likely prevented this ticking time bomb form causing a bad situation to become much worse.Made the National news: Fatal police shooting of man in 'smash the patriarchy' shirt at Oregon school caught on bodycam
Officials said Landeros was a concealed handgun license holder, and the gun had been legally purchased by his sister-in-law in December. Landeros' daughter and two other people witnessed the shooting, which took place with other students nearby, Perlow said.
Soooooo, isn't SHE guilty of an SB941 violation? WTF?
Officials said Landeros was a concealed handgun license holder, and the gun had been legally purchased by his sister-in-law in December. Landeros' daughter and two other people witnessed the shooting, which took place with other students nearby, Perlow said.
Soooooo, isn't SHE guilty of an SB941 violation? WTF?
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Hard to prove it.
Landeros used a Taurus 9mm. Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive records show the weapon was purchased by Whitley Landeros from her husband Joseph Landeros' business Community Armaments and Supplies in December 2018.
Joseph Landeros is the brother of Charles Landeros, investigators said.
Whitley hands the pistol to her husband Joseph who then hands it to his brother Charles. No paperwork or background check is required for a transfer between relatives.
I am glad that the media is running with the Crazy Leftist that the FBI was tipped off about narrative instead of the all CHL holders are bad story slant.
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This should tell you a little bit about his brother and sister in law. They have shut down most of there online presence but there are some straggler sites from Anarchist and Communist supporting the business. Seem like a pleasant group....
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That would be allegedly and nope...
per SB941 it is a legal transfer w/o an FFL from:
(A) A transferor's spouse or domestic partner;
(B) A transferor's parent or stepparent;
(C) A transferor's child or stepchild;
(D) A transferor's sibling;
(E) A transferor's grandparent;
(F) A transferor's grandchild;
(G) A transferor's aunt or uncle;
(H) A transferor's first cousin;
(I) A transferor's niece or nephew; or
(J) The spouse or domestic partner of a person specified in subparagraphs (B) to (I) of this paragraph.
In this this case, (D) and (J).
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TY for that @titsonritz
Also
"friendly anarchy" kinda sounds like the whole make communism sound cool and fun so its socially acceptable. Just like how its hip to not learn about how voting away a right like the 2A for not only yourself but everyone else as well is a virtue.
Definition of Anarchy:
Definition of ANARCHY
Definition of anarchy
1a: absence of government
b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authoritythe city's descent into anarchy
c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2a: absence or denial of any authority or established orderanarchy prevailed in the ghetto
b: absence of order : DISORDERnot manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature— Israel Shenker
3: ANARCHISM
What next? glorified national socialism and making Hitler sound like a saint? or, Dictatorship is on the rise and thats a good thing! que buzzfeed and huffpo layoffs
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This should tell you a little bit about his brother and sister in law. They have shut down most of there online presence but there are some straggler sites from Anarchist and Communist supporting the business. Seem like a pleasant group....
Good Lord, these guys are worse than I thought
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I am confused, they carry guns, but are against those fighting for civil rights to have them?
Or am I not seeing something.
It hurt itself in confusion, is all you gotta understand from this.
If i don't know what im doing neither will my enemy!
Maybe they think they are the new long arm of the state in a dictatorship thats cool with waxing its own population to insure compliance. Think like Pol pot and co. Another arguing point I see is they know conservatives value the 2A so why can't they? one side can't have it over the other. Weird double helix or two sides of the same coin.
IF you can 't trust the left or the right with guns whats the only viable option?
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I have tried to wrap my head around anifta, only conclusion was domestic terrorist.
I understand qnon more the anifta, yes it does hurt my head
, geees.Whats next,......don't answer that.
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Were all one community here...... I get allot from everyone here. All for one one for all ...
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