California.....sorry fellas

[Colts4me]

Washington and Oregon deserve to reap what they have sown. I have no sympathy for them. They both remitted control of there once great states to the alt-left a long time ago. All that is happening is the chickens are coming home to roost. We in Idaho are facing a similar choice in our upcoming Governor race. The city dwelling property developing Tommy Alquist against the 4 generation rancher Brad Little. We have enjoyed balanced budgets and no debt here in the state for a long time but a city developer type will end that. We loose by many small cuts, it is more effective than one huge change (like an admitted Communist candidate) so it is nessisary to fight every time confronted by the opposition.

I believe it wasn' the good folks of Oregon that changed Oregon, it was the influx of people from California that hurt us. I say this because I watched it happen for 65 years. Idaho is not safe from this migration, and it isn't just the anti gun pressure that comes with the change.

Some of what we are all about to deal with is more pressure on everything you like to do in life. Everything will be affected from crowding our roads to the point of hours to go somewhere to crowding the hunting and fishing. The changes will do much damage to the quality of life here just as it allways has.

 

[etrain16]

If this goes through, I expect 2 things to happen:

1. It will likely immediately be challenged in court, and I could see this going all the way to SCOTUS.

2. Kate Brown, Prozanski, etc. will begin drooling hoping to do the same here.

Either way, I think this will get blocked, at least temporarily by some court and will take at least a few years to get resolved. I don't think we're under an immediate threat in OR or WA of this happening, but certainly a possibility down the road.

Elections matter. Voting matters. Don't sit home. Don't cast protest votes or abstain for a protest. Show up, vote, and vote pro-gun - it's the only chance we have to stop these anti-freedom, America-hating psychos. There are more of them than there are of us, so we need every single pro-gun vote to show up at every single election. A simple swing of 2-3 house and senate seats at the state level would provide all the blocking power we need to stop this.

 

[Argonaut]

Off course, there are plenty of great Oregon people, just like in California. (I lived in the conservitive Central Valley for several years). I am not convinced the bulk of the leftist Washimgton/Oregon problems are from California immigrants. They grow enough of there own. The traditionally large union influence in both states should not be overlooked. It is the same problem that Nevada has. Harry Reed was always elected by union political operators. If you add to that the effect of higher education since the passing of the WW2 generation (many of my teachers were conservitive vets educated by the GI bill) and you have a lot of harnessed power for evil without any imports. The devil won't appear to us as a bad guy but as a smooth good looking (and sounding) articulate person.

 

[MrRob96]

I also agree; it isn't just the California transplants that cause the gradual left-lean away from liberty. That is why I said this is the wave of the future, for everyone. Society, in general (greater than 50% of people apparently), want to be taken care of by anyone on this list: government, business, other people, or anything else that will do it.

Because there is this overwhelming desire for comfort, folks are extremely willing to give up their liberty, and they want YOU to do the same.

 

[Colts4me]

One of the biggest problems that leads to more gun control is poor planning by our state government, they don' build for the future. Crowd folks together without decent infastructure and you turn them to rats biting and scratching for a living. Its the cause of crime, road rage comes from poor road planning by the state then the crime is dealt with by regulations that makes more rats.

Why the entire west coast never built a real rail system is beyond me or even a real highway system. They won' and because they won' the quality of life suffers and gun controls become the norm.

 

[MrRob96]

One of the biggest problems that leads to more gun control is poor planning by our state government, they don' build for the future. Crowd folks together without decent infastructure and you turn them to rats biting and scratching for a living. Its the cause of crime, road rage comes from poor road planning by the state then the crime is dealt with by regulations that makes more rats.

Why the entire west coast never built a real rail system is beyond me or even a real highway system. They won' and because they won' the quality of life suffers and gun controls become the norm.

Again I'd caution at looking to government to untangle this mess created by... government. Another problem is business wants to lump all their workers into a single location. They will build office on top of office to the sky. People already have to work 80 hours a week at places like Amazon, so they wont commute 2 hours away to have a bit of space(not for very long anyways). They need to live on top of the guy that they also work on top of.

Then you have that big rats nest you're speaking of. Transportation may help, but this need to put every single worker out of 1 million in the same 5 mile radius, especially when the vast majority of high paying jobs can be done remotely, is bubbleguming things up pretty bad as well.

 

[MrRob96]

But I digress. California ammo laws are insane. The only time you can purchase ammo w/o BGC is at a range, and all ammo must be consumed in that range visit or else a BGC must be performed. It would make sense for them to simply do BGC on your gun every time you went somewhere with it.

I was once in a place that checked my documents every 20 feet to make sure I was authorized to be there... where was that again? Oh yeah, China.

 

[Colts4me]

Crime and the gun laws come from packing people together like sardines, my proof is look at every big city in America or look at California. People down there spend hours every day looking at the rear end of the car in front of them. You can't pack people together without planning that cuts the tension from living that way. Relaxed pot laws will help but really there isnt enough pot in the world to make people want to live that way.

Again those who build the world we live in are just not up to the job in my opinion.

 

[Argonaut]

One of the biggest problems that leads to more gun control is poor planning by our state government, they don' build for the future. Crowd folks together without decent infastructure and you turn them to rats biting and scratching for a living. Its the cause of crime, road rage comes from poor road planning by the state then the crime is dealt with by regulations that makes more rats.

Why the entire west coast never built a real rail system is beyond me or even a real highway system. They won' and because they won' the quality of life suffers and gun controls become the norm.

My Wife is a structural engineer that does several hundred projects a year all over the west. Everything taught in architecture and engineering schools is geared to encouraging high density (communist) living. I totally disagree with your assertion about rail development. The most successful rail developments have always been accomplished by private industry. If there was a need and profit, they would do it just like they did in the golden age of rail travel. I believe that people are more akin to ants, when too many are in the same farm, they go crazy. It is no more complicated than that. We have a very affluent society, probably the most affluent in human history. Few people will give up the otonomy of private transportation to a socialist designed public system where we are forced into close proximity to questionable strangers. I spend a lot of time in Europe. In out latest 90 day trip we put 12,000 miles on our car and less than 500 on a train because we couldn't take the car to visit my wife's relatives in Hungary. She never wants to see a passenger train again. Public transportation is for poor people that are not affluent enough to care for themselves. My wife and I made the conscious decision to live on our 200 acre ranch surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of open land 10 miles from a small town that hasn't increased population for 60 years. Too far out for pressure from the developers and a refuge from the maddening crowd. We wouldn't change it for any amount of money..........it is called freedom.......and is the goal we have worked our entire lives to accomplish.

 

[Colts4me]

Population grows and you need planning to keep the peace. Look at Portland, no planning and no idea on what the futures is but tax the hell out of the people and keep them in line with gun controls. If the state planers and bueacrats would do their job they could make a great life for the residents of Oregon. Sadly it won' happen while I am alive nor my kids lifetime.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Washington and Oregon deserve to reap what they have sown...

And you sowed a trail right outa Dodge. thanks, you're next

 

[Argonaut]

Population grows and you need planning to keep the peace. Look at Portland, no planning and no idea on what the futures is but tax the hell out of the people and keep them in line with gun controls. If the state planers and bueacrats would do their job they could make a great life for the residents of Oregon. Sadly it won' happen while I am alive nor my kids lifetime.

But they do there job as they have been taught. High density is good, suburbs and rural are bad. The problems all go back to education.

 

[Colts4me]

But they do there job as they have been taught. High density is good, suburbs and rural are bad. The problems all go back to education.

Even if they do high density they could build a better life for all. California is typical and I will use them as a perfect example. How much money could the state make if they sold gun permits with the stipulation that you have to learn the laws to carry one? There are 39 million people in California so with all the dollars from the permits and sales tax from selling guns they could arm every cop in California. Plus more guns would reduce crime.

Folks running Oregon and Cali just are not able to think ahead. Oregon could sell water to Cali and build mass transit with the money but they are too busy playing gotcha to build a better life for the residents. They try to regulate a better life and that really doesn't work.

 

[Argonaut]

Even if they do high density they could build a better life for all. California is typical and I will use them as a perfect example. How much money could the state make if they sold gun permits with the stipulation that you have to learn the laws to carry one? There are 39 million people in California so with all the dollars from the permits and sales tax from selling guns they could arm every cop in California. Plus more guns would reduce crime.

Folks running Oregon and Cali just are not able to think ahead. Oregon could sell water to Cali and build mass transit with the money but they are too busy playing gotcha to build a better life for the residents. They try to regulate a better life and that really doesn't work.

Ask Owens Valley how selling there water worked out. You would start another civil war by selling water to California and I would enlist (again) You sound very indoctrinated into the populist mind set. Maby a union worker? Like all the money that Oregon makes selling marijuana.....then seeing there social costs more than double..........I think it is you that can't see the future. High density improves no ones lifestyle except the left wing politicians that won't live there anyway. Like gun laws, they still surround themselves with people carrying guns.......what do they care? If California made a dollar selling gun permits, they would spend 3 administering the program.

 

[bbbass]

@Colts4me: And Max or buses are the safest way to travel... ummmm, no.

Gun permits, ala, New Jersey and New York??? High density is good?? Man, where are you from????

 

[Colts4me]

@Colts4me: And Max or buses are the safest way to travel... ummmm, no.

Gun permits, ala, New Jersey and New York??? High density is good?? Man, where are you from????

Just saying if you choose to live in a high density area there are ways to make life better. Never said it was better but look how many live that way. Ask a Californian how much they would have paid for a CCW. For those stuck in that world why shouldn' they have CCW?

 

[Colts4me]

Ask Owens Valley how selling there water worked out. You would start another civil war by selling water to California and I would enlist (again) You sound very indoctrinated into the populist mind set. Maby a union worker? Like all the money that Oregon makes selling marijuana.....then seeing there social costs more than double..........I think it is you that can't see the future. High density improves no ones lifestyle except the left wing politicians that won't live there anyway. Like gun laws, they still surround themselves with people carrying guns.......what do they care? If California made a dollar selling gun permits, they would spend 3 administering the program.

You are reading into what I post what you want to believe, not what I am saying. So to keep this civil I will leave you believing what you want rather than argue with you. I have no time in life to argue and no need to defend what I say. If you can' see it takes good government to do it right, to manage money right and protect our gun rights the I can't help you see any better by what I post. Thanks for the conversation up until now and I will move along.

 

[bbbass]

Just saying if you choose to live in a high density area there are ways to make life better. Never said it was better but look how many live that way. Ask a Californian how much they would have paid for a CCW. For those stuck in that world why shouldn' they have CCW?

Well, I understand what you are saying... but personally I could never live that way no matter what. Also, I believe gov only screws things up, not makes things better... been my observation and experience anyway. Look at the war on poverty as one example, shoddy bridge design, etc etc etc.

IMO everybody in that world should have CCW, gotta keep up with the illegals ya know.

 

[h4344]

The big cities in the NW are destroyed. I grew up in Portland and it's full of homeless people. I don't even need to see numbers, anywhere you go you see homeless camps and trash thrown everywhere. There are people living out of RV's in front of parks and abandoned buildings outside downtown.

Probably one of the motivations for me to buy my own land with guns, blackjack and kitte...i mean dogs!

 

[nwslopoke]

California is a train wreck in slow motion. They've been fined, bankrupt, jailed, silenced and under the government's thumb for decades. Its a huge example of government run wild and out of control. All other state lawmakers see this and say we didn't think we could push it that far. The sad part is a state of 50 million (40 million on paper) maybe only 100 people are the real problem.