Are battle belts, chest rigs and such overrated?

[CamoDeafie]

What we expect.. or think we'll look like..


What we actually get

 

[Member 53328]

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The heavies just got heavier.

 

[OldBroad44]

There are guys devoted to gear.

@Longwalkhome , I think you've hit the nail on the head.
I've noticed there seems to be a correlation between gun nerds and camera nerds. To really master shooting of either gun or camera demands a certain flair for and interest in complex technology as well as mastery of the physical skills. Maybe interest in the gun-related gear we're discussing is just another aspect of that interest in complex technology that is part of the interest in guns for many of us. Sure the gear may be potentially useful. But perhaps a bigger issue is some people are just really interested in the gun gear, and its potential usefulness in combat or SD is just an excuse.

 

[Longwalkhome]

@Longwalkhome , I think you've hit the nail on the head.
I've noticed there seems to be a correlation between gun nerds and camera nerds. To really master shooting of either gun or camera demands a certain flair for and interest in complex technology as well as mastery of the physical skills. Maybe interest in the gun-related gear we're discussing is just another aspect of that interest in complex technology that is part of the interest in guns for many of us. Sure the gear may be potentially useful. But perhaps a bigger issue is some people are just really interested in the gun gear, and its potential usefulness in combat or SD is just an excuse.

People are complex, between the culture and their environment along with their upbringing people all have their own thoughts. It may take experience or a challenge or maybe a life's changing event for people to travel a road different than the one they are on. For most it's just the crowd they run with that sets how they think. Some think for themselves.

I am an old man and remember a time when a cop in a small community could retire without ever drawing his gun. He would dress for battle at every shift but people were not so evil that they had to be killed. Cop friend of mine was 10 years in our local department and never drew his gun. Went to work in Portland and had to draw his gun every shift.

Point being I guess is those who really need a battle belt know why, I don't need one but see why some folks do.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

So basically... parity of arms and equipment with the military of the time...

Applying that to today with Bruen;

M4s, M16s, M7 and M9 bayonets, M9 and M1911/replacement/equivalent handguns,

Ammo, magazines,
Cleaning kits
Body armor and carriers
Gear to carry all that

And fine people for not having good/serviceable gear or arms when mustered for training/exercises?

Sorry for the late reply...
I was putting on a firearm display / history event...just got back in.

And yes..to the what you posted...only I'd love to have my M21 back...
Andy

 

[CamoDeafie]

And yes..to the what you posted...only I'd love to have my M21 back

Couldn't you get a close copy of that using a Springfield Armory National Match M1A?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Couldn't you get a close copy of that using a Springfield Armory National Match M1A?

Yes I could...I would pair it with a Leatherwood scope...and it would be almost a clone of the rifles I used in Desert Shield/ Storm..and while in Bosnia.
Andy

 

[Cellar]

I like the idea of a concealed carrier on body with iwb pistol and two extra mags, but having a chest rig in a back pack while hiking, or in you car during travel with a firearm that has a little more kick isn't a bad idea in my opinion. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. I wouldn't go out in full kit, but keeping a small rig with some extra ammo alongside some first aid gear doesn't take up much space or weigh much at all. I personally think there's a happy medium. You can stay a hard target and still have everything prepared.

 

[Oregon Rob]

To each their own. Outside of situations like Ruby Ridge I can't recall ever even hearing about a single civilian having the need for anything like that.
If you want it for fun then by all means but your chances of being struck by lightning on the 5th Tuesday in March are higher than needing a chest rig.

 

[Nosferatu]

If you want it for fun then by all means but your chances of being struck by lightning on the 5th Tuesday in March are higher than needing a chest rig.

 

[bradsteen]

To each their own. Outside of situations like Ruby Ridge I can't recall ever even hearing about a single civilian having the need for anything like that.
If you want it for fun then by all means but your chances of being struck by lightning on the 5th Tuesday in March are higher than needing a chest rig.

Need is subjective. Depends on how close to the pointy end of things you think you are.

 

[Nosferatu]

Need is subjective. Depends on how close to the pointy end of things you think you are.

 

[bradsteen]

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[CamoDeafie]

To each their own. Outside of situations like Ruby Ridge I can't recall ever even hearing about a single civilian having the need for anything like that.
If you want it for fun then by all means but your chances of being struck by lightning on the 5th Tuesday in March are higher than needing a chest rig.

Over 90 percent of firearm homicides according to the FBI's UCJ data.. are from handguns. Rifles are such a small minority of firearm homicides, that 99% of the people who own and use guns... don't need rifle rated armor and yet.. we hear all the time how body armor save officers lives, how it can protect students, and having it at the ready in homes help a lot in home invasion cases where the would-be victims lived to tell the tales...

It's the Bill of Rights, not Needs

Edit. I've also never read of people complaining that they had "too much ammo in their firefights"

 

[Flopsweat]

Over 90 percent of firearm homicides according to the FBI's UCJ data.. are from handguns. Rifles are such a small minority of firearm homicides, that 99% of the people who own and use guns... don't need rifle rated armor and yet.. we hear all the time how body armor save officers lives, how it can protect students, and having it at the ready in homes help a lot in home invasion cases where the would-be victims lived to tell the tales...

It's the Bill of Rights, not Needs

Edit. I've also never read of people complaining that they had "too much ammo in their firefights"

You can't have too much ammo unless you are sinking or on fire.

 

[Knobgoblin]

This makes more sense, if we're being honest.

 

[Flopsweat]

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This makes more sense, if we're being honest.

I have a cheap Costco one that already holds more than I can drag up the damn hill as it is.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Blue force ten speed elastic bandolier can hold 6 mags or 4-5 mags plus other crap.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Dec 8, 2023

Mp5k or mp5 can be carried over the shoulder as can mpx, evo, Stribog, 300bo pistol with law folder, brn 180 .556 pistol with folding stock, or even a .308 ar 10 pistol with law folded if you really wanted to.

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• ilikegunspdx
• Oct 26, 2021

Brn-180 with brace folded (use 20 round pmag to reduce girth)

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• ilikegunspdx
• Aug 31, 2022

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• ilikegunspdx
• Dec 8, 2021
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Glock or p320 with ISw can be carried in inside pocket of regular fleece.



All those options could be under jacket or even a fleece in some cases. All nfa rules apply.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Some chest and armor rigs I've modified and some I've made.

From a FLC

Stomper rig


Tigerstripe low profile 4- rifle, 2 pistol mag rig


Mesh MOLLE chest rig with self made Esstac KYWI kydex triple pouch in Afghan digital forest

Basic black armor with modified Blackhawk mag velcro pouch

USMC MOLLE Bandolier modified to have skeletal side wings and USMC hydration bladder clipped in


HSGI Wasatch plate carrier, no modifications. Yes thats a 16" Midlength A2 carbine

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Maybe these would work?