Abortion Supporters and the Killing of The Innocent Children in Newtown, Conn.

[xVern]

SOme of us here think abortion is murder.. Obviously you and Obama don't.. I don't hold it against you. Nobody has been more supportive of pro-abortion legislation than Barack Hussein.

Yeah, I think Obama is quite happy about Sandy Hook.. Call me morbid , cruel or insensitive, I don't care.. The man is a professional liar, but a real crappy one at that! I could see through his BS performance like I could see through his crap from day one!!

Whoop, i didn't mean to say i was offened. I just am amazed at how two people with such drasticly different veiws can be generalized in one term. Not a bad thing at all.

 

[180gr40]

This isn't about MJ. This is about cranial desensitization regarding human life and picking & choosing what's good and what's evil. They cry out that it should be legal to rip an unborn human's head off with a glorified pair of plyers, but get all shocked and freaked that kids get killed by a senseless scumbag. HOW IS THAT LOGICAL?!

What about people who support the removal of prohibition of Marijuana because it doesn't stop crime, yet think prohibition of guns will stop the crime problem?

 

[180gr40]

Abortion DOES infringe on the "rights" of another - God-given rights to be born and breathe and experience life! If you believe in God, you must believe that an unborn child is one of His children. These kids in Newtown weren't any different with the exception of age. I sorrow for all of them as well as for the unborn who are put to death - MURDERED - so much in this country. Watch this video and maybe you'll catch a glimpse of what I'm trying to say here:

The Silent Scream (Full Length) - YouTube

Yup. I'm firmly "pro death".

Abortion, gun rights, death penalty, physician-assisted suicide, the works. People have rights to do with themselves what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. And when others TRY to infringe on those rights, they have the right to use equal measures to defend themselves.

To me, *THAT* is the definition of "liberal". (All those numbnuts who claim to be liberal who support restricting our rights shouldn't be allowed to call themselves liberal.)

 

[JGRuby]

How about the thousands of Paki, Afghan, Yemeni and other children smoked off the face of the earth 2008-2012 in illegal drone strikes?

Where are the collages of their pictures on Facebook? Who is reading their names on ABC?

There's no logic anywhere, man. Just fight for the 2A and deal with the other stuff later.

Lets start further back than 2008 - how about the day teh US deciced to use Shock and Awe on another country. Lets see - that was good ole GW.

James Ruby

 

[Suge206]

I agree completely, watching that Mr. Peace Prize Obama pretend to cry over a couple dozen dead kids was disgusting. I can't imagine the soullessness of these people that manipulate these tragedies to steal the rights of individuals. If we wanted the death of these poor kids to mean something, we should use what has happened as a way to grow stronger, build more freedom, more responsibility, more character. What an insult to these families to feed on their loss.

Dead kids and babies don't make the news unless there's an agenda to push.

your level of delusion and cynacism is what is nuts here

disagree all you want with policy decisions all you want. but the demonic snake stuff is just total crap.

 

[aslinged]

Lets start further back than 2008 - how about the day teh US deciced to use Shock and Awe on another country. Lets see - that was good ole GW.

James Ruby

Bro, if you want we can go all the way back to the dumping of the Federalist Papers and I'm right with you.

But yes, absolutely, without question I'll include Bush in my indictment.

 

[Lush]

You misunderstand the reason behind legalizing MJ. It's not the crime people worry about, it's incarceration which is costly, and ruins lives for a fairly innocent act.

why not legalize crack, meth, coke, shrooms, LSD... ext and give it away. the US gov. could produce and give it away to anyone of age (lets say 21) and it would be much cheaper then the money they spend on drug taskforces and the money spent to keep people in prison. Drug related crimes B&E, petty theft, prostuition would go way down as well. and the biggest thing that would drop would be murders, no more gang turf wars. gangs in this country blew up cause of prohibition.

it would be a way to cut BILLIONS in spending. then police could spend more time looking into other crimes. which would make the unsolved crime rate drop.

I dont think more people are going to smoke crack because its leagal. im not.. are any of you guys?

 

[DMax]

why not legalize crack, meth, coke, shrooms, LSD... ext and give it away. the US gov. could produce and give it away to anyone of age (lets say 21) and it would be much cheaper then the money they spend on drug taskforces and the money spent to keep people in prison. Drug related crimes B&E, petty theft, prostuition would go way down as well. and the biggest thing that would drop would be murders, no more gang turf wars. gangs in this country blew up cause of prohibition.

it would be a way to cut BILLIONS in spending. then police could spend more time looking into other crimes. which would make the unsolved crime rate drop.

I dont think more people are going to smoke crack because its leagal. im not.. are any of you guys?

Sure just expand gov to take more control of our lives. Do you have some kind of fiancial motivation to keep talking about let the government do this and that? If not where did you lean that gov is the answer when in reality its the problem.

 

[JimmyS1985]

I got two pics for this thread to help me make my point, I'd like to have some input into this. This is the bumper sticker on my car.



I get yelled at , flipped off, road raged at every so often. Fact of the matter is there are probably 99 Pro-Life bumper stickers for every 1 Pro-Choice bumper stickers. I have also gotten compliments on it from women and had notes left on my car on how much they love my bumper sticker.



I think the religious right has truly screwed the Republican party up, they use to be a fringe element in American politic's, now the extremist religious right are the core of the Republican party and one of the main reason's they lost this election. If the Republican's went back to true libertarian style governing, I think would of fared much better this election but a lot of people don't want bible thumpers dictating what wives, girlfriends and daughters can and can't do once they have been impregnated.

They call it "Pro-Life" the fact of the matter is it's "Pro-Forced Childbirth" Im from Missouri, Claire McCaskill was expected to lose her re-election to Todd Akin. When Todd Akin said that women who are "legitimately raped" that their internal workings can tell the difference between rapists sperm and lover's sperm, it offended a lot of people because fact of the matter is 5% of women who are raped between the ages of 20 and 45 or so, do in fact get pregnant. If a woman who is raped is determined to end the pregnancy caused by her rapist, who goes to jail in that circumstance?

Women have gotten abortions since the dawn of man, and women have had the conscious thought "I don't want to birth this pregnancy come hell or high water" Controlling our reproduction should be considered a good technology tool to have in a world with over 7 billion human beings on the planet.

I could go into more issue's about the matter because I have put deep thought into the subject. Another point where the Pro-Life crowd loses credibility is they often use religious and moral reasoning for their stance against abortion in this country (See Rick Santorum). Im not catholic or evangelical and whoever I would impregnate probably wouldn't be catholic or an evangelical either. Why the hell do I have to live by their sets of religous beliefs and morals when I do not practice their religion in any way shape or form? Its forcing people to live like bible thumping Christians under the threat of incarceration even if they are not part of their religion.

One last thought on the topic, really there are anti-gun democrats, not all democrats are anti-gun. Not all voters are single issue voters on guns alone unlike people on this forum tend to be. Sometime's you have to hold your nose when you vote on some issues with the politician you are voting for and give your full-fledged support for the issue's that you think outweigh it.

edit: Don't get me wrong though, I think having fundamental right to access to firearm's is healthy for a democracy and free-nation even if some people die to misuse of them. Sometime's you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

 

[4Freedom]

Go read abortion statistics , how many is it, like less than 5% of all abortions are because of rape or life-threatening conditions? ? That is every pro-abortion persons main argument and its BS. A majority of abortions are for convenience, not survival. Did you know abortion is wrecking havoc on Indian society who now has a skewed ratio of like 850 women to every 1000 men? Many Indian men cannot even find wives anymore, because the people abort all their daughters. I wonder what all those ladies who write you thank you notes feel about that?? I mean if you want a boy, why bother with the girl? Well, they use to abort babies in India by just burying them in the dirt after birth, but today they can just kill the baby inside the womb.

I wish I had the energy to engage in an abortion debate.. Jimmy, I can send you some pictures of some of those Choices you are talking about.. I will send you pics of newborn babies and the dead pre-born babies and you can tell me how different the CHoice looks like from a real Baby. Do you know babies form bonds with mother in the womb? They have beating hearts and cognitive reasoning and emotional responses.

Here is a website (not anti-abortion at all) about 7 ways to bond with your preborn baby. Strange, how they didn't use the word Preborn Choice.. They actually refer to it as a baby. I suppose as long as you decide not to rip its head off with surgical instruments or inject acid to explodes its brain it is a Baby , not a Choice, right?

7 Ways to Bond with Your Preborn Baby | Ask Dr. Sears®

 

[JimmyS1985]

What can I say other than dying is a sad fact of life. Human life is cheap in this world whether you like to admit it or not. I don't mind seeing grotesque pictures, my favorite website to go to prior to this one was rotten.com (check out motorcycle.jpg its actually probably a closeup of a botched shotgun suicide than a motorcycle accident) and the dailyrotten before they quit updating that site (Its my most missed website on the entire internet).

Really though, the choice to how big your family is in life, to me it's as fundamental a right as owning firearm's in this country (actually it's insulting how many non-violent felon's are barred from owning firearms for life over victimless crime's, politicians have found other ways to trounce on the constitution even through the legal system, same with their minion LEO's).


I would really like to believe they care about the child, but when it comes to budgetary concern's the same pro-life politicians are also for slashing medicaid, welfare, Poor Children school lunch program's, SNAP (food stamps) and anything else gutting the social safety net that would aid the mother in raising the child. They don't care about the child, they just want to make life as difficult as possible on the mother for being promiscuous, since promiscuity is a sin in their religion.

They see the forced birthing of a child under the threat of incarceration as a side punishment for a woman's promiscuity. As for the rape abortion's I've often heard people in conservative circle's blaming the victim for rape "Oh she was dressed too sexy, thats why she got raped, never mind the violent sex offender couldn't control himself and acted on his internal sexual instincts"

I don't know if you see it that way directly or subliminally see it that way. The people who were against abortion in the 1980's were also opposed to pornography and other outlets for adult's sex drive's. Ever so often a right winger in congress will put a bill up restricting pornography because they don't think the public should see 2 adult's enjoying sex for purposes other than reproduction. This can all be traced back to our Puritan roots or even the fundamental rules set out by the Apostle Paul that it was a sin to have sex outside of wedlock, and if you absolutely have to have sex, you must marry first.

I had a coworker who went to an abortion clinic and she told me a horrible story. She had a stillborn child in her womb. It was dead. She pulls up to the abortion clinic and the Christian right at the clinic called her a murderer and started laying their bodies out around her car thinking she wouldn't walk into the clinic to have the dead fetus removed. She had to literally walk over live people's bodies just to get to the clinic to have the stillborn removed.

You're not the one who has to take care of the unwanted child, so it's easy for you to tell people to raise it themselves. It's a hairy situation, it may be an ugly thing that human's do to you, but human's have been having abortion's since the dawn of man, any law's you pass will not curb it. Women will get abortion's whether it's legal or not, some people view it as murder, people like me view an unwanted pregnancy as an inconvenience that was not wanted just for getting your tool polished.

edit: We're both risking getting infraction's since views on abortion can fall into political views which is prohibited on this forum. If you have something to say, you should private message me. I don't want to get banned from my favorite site and I'm a repeat offender for violating their rules on politics in this forum. I'd rather all of us come together for our love of firearm's than opposing viewpoint's on abortion or politic's. We may come from different cut's of cloth, but you and me both strongly support the 2A and I would hate to get banned from this website over violating the admin's rules considering this is a great community.

 

[kibs45]

What can I say other than dying is a sad fact of life. Human life is cheap in this world whether you like to admit it or not. I don't mind seeing grotesque pictures, my favorite website to go to prior to this one was rotten.com (check out motorcycle.jpg its actually probably a closeup of a botched shotgun suicide than a motorcycle accident) and the dailyrotten before they quit updating that site (Its my most missed website on the entire internet).

Really though, the choice to how big your family is in life, to me it's as fundamental a right as owning firearm's in this country (actually it's insulting how many non-violent felon's are barred from owning firearms for life over victimless crime's, politicians have found other ways to trounce on the constitution even through the legal system, same with their minion LEO's).


I would really like to believe they care about the child, but when it comes to budgetary concern's the same pro-life politicians are also for slashing medicaid, welfare, Poor Children school lunch program's, SNAP (food stamps) and anything else gutting the social safety net that would aid the mother in raising the child. They don't care about the child, they just want to make life as difficult as possible on the mother for being promiscuous, since promiscuity is a sin in their religion.

They see the forced birthing of a child under the threat of incarceration as a side punishment for a woman's promiscuity. As for the rape abortion's I've often heard people in conservative circle's blaming the victim for rape "Oh she was dressed too sexy, thats why she got raped, never mind the violent sex offender couldn't control himself and acted on his internal sexual instincts"

I don't know if you see it that way directly or subliminally see it that way. The people who were against abortion in the 1980's were also opposed to pornography and other outlets for adult's sex drive's. Ever so often a right winger in congress will put a bill up restricting pornography because they don't think the public should see 2 adult's enjoying sex for purposes other than reproduction. This can all be traced back to our Puritan roots or even the fundamental rules set out by the Apostle Paul that it was a sin to have sex outside of wedlock, and if you absolutely have to have sex, you must marry first.

I had a coworker who went to an abortion clinic and she told me a horrible story. She had a stillborn child in her womb. It was dead. She pulls up to the abortion clinic and the Christian right at the clinic called her a murderer and started laying their bodies out around her car thinking she wouldn't walk into the clinic to have the dead fetus removed. She had to literally walk over live people's bodies just to get to the clinic to have the stillborn removed.

You're not the one who has to take care of the unwanted child, so it's easy for you to tell people to raise it themselves. It's a hairy situation, it may be an ugly thing that human's do to you, but human's have been having abortion's since the dawn of man, any law's you pass will not curb it. Women will get abortion's whether it's legal or not, some people view it as murder, people like me view an unwanted pregnancy as an inconvenience that was not wanted just for getting your tool polished.

edit: We're both risking getting infraction's since views on abortion can fall into political views which is prohibited on this forum. If you have something to say, you should private message me. I don't want to get banned from my favorite site and I'm a repeat offender for violating their rules on politics in this forum. I'd rather all of us come together for our love of firearm's than opposing viewpoint's on abortion or politic's. We may come from different cut's of cloth, but you and me both strongly support the 2A and I would hate to get banned from this website over violating the admin's rules considering this is a great community.

I genuinely feel sad for you. This (^) is one the most ignorant talking point filled rants I have ever seen.

 

[DMax]

I ofter wonder about people that think like this what their momma would say.

 

[JimmyS1985]

Well really if you want to curb abortion's than you should be for methods that reduce unwanted pregnancies. Unwanted pregnancies are the root of ALL abortions. If you want to curb abortions you need to have good sex education programs and readily available contraception, Plan B and Morning after pills to women. That would do a lot more to reduce the number of abortions in this country than incarcerating women or abortion provider's after the abortion has taken place.

Often times the Pro-Life politicians oppose contraception to, so in a strange twisted way, they are encouraging women to have more abortions.

 

[kibs45]

Well really if you want to curb abortion's than you should be for methods that reduce unwanted pregnancies. Unwanted pregnancies are the root of ALL abortions. If you want to curb abortions you need to have good sex education programs and readily available contraception, Plan B and Morning after pills to women. That would do a lot more to reduce the number of abortions in this country than incarcerating women or abortion provider's after the abortion has taken place.

Often times the Pro-Life politicians oppose contraception to, so in a strange twisted way, they are encouraging women to have more abortions.

JimmyS1985 with all the answers! Really. He knows me so well! He knows what I support, and what I don't. Just look at the above quote. All figured out...

Like you said earlier, this isn't the time and place.

 

[bnsaibum]

my favorite website to go to prior to this one was rotten.com (check out motorcycle.jpg its actually probably a closeup of a botched shotgun suicide than a motorcycle accident) and the dailyrotten before they quit updating that site (Its my most missed website on the entire internet).

If you are actively seeking stuff like this out, perhaps you should reevaluate your values and priorities.

 

[bnsaibum]

DP

 

[JimmyS1985]

Heres a good article on the matter, both sides of the abortion debate should support readily available and even free contraceptives for US women if the main goal is to reduce abortions.

Free contraceptives reduce abortions, unintended pregnancies. Full stop.

 

[kibs45]

Why are you still harping on this? While the very nature of the thread is very close to the line for this place, it was at least asking a question related to firearms, their use in a tragic event, and how we as a society find death acceptable in one instance and not another. Please stop telling me what I should or should not agree with on a strictly social issue. Yes, this thread opened a door, but you blew it wide open, taking it to a totally different level.

 

[180gr40]

I got two pics for this thread to help me make my point, I'd like to have some input into this. This is the bumper sticker on my car.



I get yelled at , flipped off, road raged at every so often. Fact of the matter is there are probably 99 Pro-Life bumper stickers for every 1 Pro-Choice bumper stickers. I have also gotten compliments on it from women and had notes left on my car on how much they love my bumper sticker.



I think the religious right has truly screwed the Republican party up, they use to be a fringe element in American politic's, now the extremist religious right are the core of the Republican party and one of the main reason's they lost this election. If the Republican's went back to true libertarian style governing, I think would of fared much better this election but a lot of people don't want bible thumpers dictating what wives, girlfriends and daughters can and can't do once they have been impregnated.

They call it "Pro-Life" the fact of the matter is it's "Pro-Forced Childbirth" Im from Missouri, Claire McCaskill was expected to lose her re-election to Todd Akin. When Todd Akin said that women who are "legitimately raped" that their internal workings can tell the difference between rapists sperm and lover's sperm, it offended a lot of people because fact of the matter is 5% of women who are raped between the ages of 20 and 45 or so, do in fact get pregnant. If a woman who is raped is determined to end the pregnancy caused by her rapist, who goes to jail in that circumstance?

Women have gotten abortions since the dawn of man, and women have had the conscious thought "I don't want to birth this pregnancy come hell or high water" Controlling our reproduction should be considered a good technology tool to have in a world with over 7 billion human beings on the planet.

I could go into more issue's about the matter because I have put deep thought into the subject. Another point where the Pro-Life crowd loses credibility is they often use religious and moral reasoning for their stance against abortion in this country (See Rick Santorum). Im not catholic or evangelical and whoever I would impregnate probably wouldn't be catholic or an evangelical either. Why the hell do I have to live by their sets of religous beliefs and morals when I do not practice their religion in any way shape or form? Its forcing people to live like bible thumping Christians under the threat of incarceration even if they are not part of their religion.

One last thought on the topic, really there are anti-gun democrats, not all democrats are anti-gun. Not all voters are single issue voters on guns alone unlike people on this forum tend to be. Sometime's you have to hold your nose when you vote on some issues with the politician you are voting for and give your full-fledged support for the issue's that you think outweigh it.

edit: Don't get me wrong though, I think having fundamental right to access to firearm's is healthy for a democracy and free-nation even if some people die to misuse of them. Sometime's you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

LEFTISM IS WHAT IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND THE INDIVIDUAL SPIRITS OF MAN!!!!! AND, unfortunately, the Republican Party is going right along with it because the anti-freedom media is backing it into a corner.

I was a Criminology major in college and much of my study had been focused on why members of society are so willing to give up the freedoms that were in place when this country was born. I am a God-fearing man, but putting religion aside, there is a set of limitations and standards by which man must live that is just as certain as the amount of O2 we need in the air we breathe and the narrow band of temperature that we as humans can endure and the perfect axis of our planet that keeps the elements in their livable dispositions. When we jump out of those limitations and standards, society begins to fall and moral hazards pop up everywhere.

I am fortunate to be exposed to "ignorant charmers" almost every day at work and in other public places, as well as watching the lamestream media, and I can see by their tactics how they continuously recruit more foolish people who are willing to diminish the importance of their freedoms. They somehow think that their utopian ideas are fit for this world that we live in, but I'm a Criminologist and I know a whole heck of a lot better than that. Then they proceed to FORCE it upon the rest of us - HOW SELFISH, HOW VERY SELFISH ARE PEOPLE WHO ACT TO TAKE AWAY THE FREEDOMS OF ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME WARM AND FUZZY IDEA IN THEIR PERVERTED HEADS!

Plainly put, this is the destruction of society: Step outside of the standards and limitations that were designed to aide humankind in being successful at being free!