36 REASONS WHY MEASURE 114 PASSED BY 24,972 VOTES.

[Barefootdog]

And when government uses the courts as a weapon against it's perceived political opponents that's misuse and corruption of our legal system and the real attack on our republic.

Hey, it's been fun but I have to get a side of ribs into the smoker to be ready for dinner tonight. Then maybe clean the gutters to get ready for our impending rainy season.

 

[JRuby]

And when government uses the courts as a weapon against it's perceived political opponents that's misuse and corruption of our legal system and the real attack on our republic.

Trump has two federal indictments and indictments by two separates state indictments and the laws he is
being accused of breaking are all wrong? If I believed this then I would have to believe there are no legimate laws. I don't for a second believe this. Trump could be held accountable for nothing

 

[msgriff]

Because people "attacked" the capital doesn't mean Trump should get indicted.
One doesn't necessarily follow the other.

There is no doubt that what happened on Jan 6 goes well beyond Trump. DOJ and other branches of government refuse to answer perfectly rational questions.

Wanting to hear the answers to those questions doesn't make me a tribalist.
I just want to hear the answers to the questions.

Instead they hide and cower and deflect and trot out the weaponized DOJ.

Evil stuff going on.

Portland Mayor Ted Wheller, darling of the Democrat party, actually participated in the attack on the Federal Courthouse in Portland during the riots. The pictures and videos are straight out of a third world civil war.
That insurrection went on for months, with many casualties and untold millions in damages. Very few were charged, let alone convicted. If the left didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

 

[Koda]

That insurrection went on for months, with many casualties and untold millions in damages.

can you share a source for this? Genuinely interested in validating this especially the casualties...

 

[JRuby]

What also has been proven is that federal government agenrts were picking people up off the street in unmarked vehicles , unmarked uniforms and holding these people against thier will. Where is the out cry on this. That truly is 3rd world behaviot.

 

[156256Hunter]

can you share a source for this? Genuinely interested in validating this.

Damage to buildings only part of overall cost

Portland Protesters Have Caused $2.3 Million in Damage to Federal Buildings

Portland saw widespread protests beginning in May following the killing of Black man George Floyd while in police custody.

www.newsweek.com

DHS sent more than 750 federal officers, spent millions responding to Portland protests

A new report finds DHS was unprepared when out-of-town federal law enforcement officers first arrived in the city. But the inspector general found DHS did have the legal authority to send officers to protect federal property.

www.opb.org

Price tag so far for protest-related damage to federal buildings in Portland: $2.3 million

The courthouse cleanup alone cost $1.6 million.

www.oregonlive.com

18 Arrested, Facing Federal Charges After Weeknight Protests at Federal Courthouse in Portland

www.justice.gov

Almost Half of Federal Cases Against Portland Rioters Have Been Dismissed

Many charged in connection with violence surrounding last year’s racial-justice protests have completed community service and won’t be tried.

www.wsj.com

 

[msgriff]

can you share a source for this? Genuinely interested in validating this.

Here's a photo gallery of some of the Portland riots:
Google pic album
Here is Wheeler at one of the courthouse attacks. He's the short haired blonde looking away from the camera, his "security" are facing the camera.

 

[Koda]

Damage to buildings only part of overall cost

Portland Protesters Have Caused $2.3 Million in Damage to Federal Buildings

Portland saw widespread protests beginning in May following the killing of Black man George Floyd while in police custody.

www.newsweek.com

DHS sent more than 750 federal officers, spent millions responding to Portland protests

A new report finds DHS was unprepared when out-of-town federal law enforcement officers first arrived in the city. But the inspector general found DHS did have the legal authority to send officers to protect federal property.

www.opb.org

Price tag so far for protest-related damage to federal buildings in Portland: $2.3 million

The courthouse cleanup alone cost $1.6 million.

www.oregonlive.com

18 Arrested, Facing Federal Charges After Weeknight Protests at Federal Courthouse in Portland

www.justice.gov

Almost Half of Federal Cases Against Portland Rioters Have Been Dismissed

Many charged in connection with violence surrounding last year’s racial-justice protests have completed community service and won’t be tried.

www.wsj.com

Thank you. Ive read some of these before but thats a good list. Im still very interested in any citations on the casualties mentioned.

 

[Koda]

Here's a photo gallery of some of the Portland riots:
Google pic album
Here is Wheeler at one of the courthouse attacks. He's the short haired blonde looking away from the camera, his "security" are facing the camera.
View attachment 1492607

do you have anything on the casualties you mentioned?

 

[msgriff]

do you have anything on the casualties you mentioned?

Here is the wiki. Use the search term "injury" in your browser finder if you want an overview:
Portland Riots

ETA: KGW news report, August 4, 2020. Early casualties reported by the DHS, 140 federal officers injured at the Courthouse alone:
KGW News

 

[JRuby]

So there is a picture of the back of someone's head. And you can prove it is the mayor how?

 

[Koda]

Here is the wiki. Use the search term "injury" in your browser finder if you want an overview:
Portland Riots

ETA: KGW news report, August 4, 2020. Early casualties reported by the DHS, 140 federal officers injured at the Courthouse alone:
KGW News

lost me, injuries are not casualties. There is only 1 casualty I know of as a result of the riots in Portland and thats when Aaron Danielson was murdered. Not to be critical of your statements but I just cant claim casualties in the plural sense without evidence. I do agree that the riots destroyed Portland and cost millions (not just Portland) and the left continues to ignore this in the face of accusing the right from doing the same at the White House...

 

[msgriff]

So there is a picture of the back of someone's head. And you can prove it is the mayor how?

It's hard to believe that anyone is unaware of these things, but I'll play along..

This is from the NYT:


Bonus video:

 

[msgriff]

lost me, injuries are not casualties. There is only 1 casualty I know of as a result of the riots in Portland and thats when Aaron Danielson was murdered. Not to be critical of your statements but I just cant claim casualties in the plural sense without evidence. I do agree that the riots destroyed Portland and cost millions (not just Portland) and the left continues to ignore this in the face of accusing the right from doing the same at the White House...

cas·u·al·ty
/ˈkaZH(əw)əltē/
noun
plural noun: casualties
a person killed or injured in a war or accident.
"the shelling caused thousands of civilian casualties"

 

[JRuby]

It's hard to believe that anyone is unaware of these things, but I'll play along..

This is from the NYT:
View attachment 1492610

Bonus video:

So what did he actually do - put a brick through the front of the federal building? Did he light a car on fire? I acknowledge he was there now what is his crime? What law did he break?

 

[msgriff]

So what did he actually do - put a brick through the front of the federal building? Did he light a car on fire? I acknowledge he was there now what is his crime? What law did he break?

Sounds like you just blew the Marxist/ Democrats argument against Trump right out of the water. Looks like you're a patriot after all.

 

[Koda]

So what did he actually do - put a brick through the front of the federal building? Did he light a car on fire? I acknowledge he was there now what is his crime? What law did he break?

a political figure actually participating in support of a riot that caused millions in damage?
Im not one to believe any election was stolen, but at least Trump wasnt actually there that day. So Trumps being charged with inciting an insurrection but Wheeler isnt?

 

[jayR]

The take over is essentially complete. Apologists and enablers have the same destiny as the rest of us when full on communism takes hold. Sad but that is the case.

 

[JRuby]

a political figure actually participating in support of a riot that caused millions in damage?
Im not one to believe any election was stolen, but at least Trump wasnt actually there that day. So Trumps being charged with inciting an insurrection but Wheeler isnt?

Trump was in support of the Jan 6 attack even the proud boys have said so at trial. To my knowledge the mayor did not want this to take place - he was not behind the planning of the riots. Trump could have called jan6 activity off. The mayor did not want this to happen.

 

[Koda]

Trump was in support of the Jan 6 attack even the proud boys have said so at trial. To my knowledge the mayor did not want this to take place - he was not behind the planning of the riots. Trump could have called jan6 activity off. The mayor did not want this to happen.

Wheeler doesnt support BLM and the riots? Wheeler tried to call off the Portland riots?