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Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by mpperales, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. mpperales

    mpperales Happy Valley, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I was a local gun shop yesterday...

    I saw a guy come in with something in a rifle case...and it is a PRISTINE Ruger Mini 14 in Stainless..

    He wants to sell or trade it. He looked about 21...

    He decided it was a good deal to trade it for a Bersa Thunder and $100....:eek:


    My question...does he derserve what he got OR should the gun shop have educated him a bit more?
     
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  2. Nickb

    Nickb Moxee Active Member

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    The gun shop should have have given a value, cash or trade.

    But that's just my opinion.
     
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  3. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    As in buyer beware its also 'seller beware' and 'trader' beware. You are responsible for having a clue as to a basic value of what you are selling/trading. Remember my trading a banjo worth maybe a $100 for a Taurus 605 nearly NIB? I gave the guy every opportunity to 'counter' but he shook my hand and said 'done deal'
     
  4. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    I couldnt have stood by and let him do that.. I mean we all need to learn from our mistakes.. But there are some mistakes not worth learning..
    Trading a good rifle for an alright pistol and $100 is a horrible idea.
     
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  5. robertg

    robertg Sandy Oregon Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    What gun shop was that? Not sure I want to do business there.
     
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  6. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    If it was a newer 580 series they are better than good!
    However the young man, if made aware of it, will have learned a lesson that might save him some serious money in the future.
    He also could have swiped or been given the mini from an elderly relative and didn't appreciate it's value having not earned/bought it himself and just wanted a handgun in a hurry for some reason.
     
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  7. Bill Siegle

    Bill Siegle Oregon Active Member

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    Education is expensive! In today's world with access to the Internet and search engines, if you got screwed on a deal, it's by choice.
     
  8. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    I saw a similar thing happen at The Gun Room. The seller was being offered maybe 50% of what his gun was worth. Another bystander/customer offered the seller a more reasonable price, and was immediately invited to leave and never come back. That was the last time I was in The Gun Room.
     
  9. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Yeeeeaaahhhhh,but,
    why screw the kid? Now you have a one time buyer not a life long customer.
    I most definitely would have called BS on the deal...... unless the kids was a know DB
     
  10. forefathersrback

    forefathersrback Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't expect a gun shop, or most people to inform the young man, the value of his firearm. I personally would have told him it was a BAD deal. Seems to me, that some people tend to think it's ok to deal that way, to teach a lesson.... A true lesson would be to teach them the true value of what ever they are selling. Whether it be a firearm, or something else. I find it fascinating, that whenever some people teach a lesson it's alway in their benefit. A good buy is a good buy, I have no problem with that, but to buy WAY below value , to TEACH a lesson, is B.S. Lack of education, or otherwise does not make it OK with me. But hey, that's just my opinion.
     
  11. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    OK,so what is the value of the mini 14?
    What is the wholesale price?
    What does it book at? Are they selling on GB for the asking/BIN price or are they just asking?
    Subtract 20% ...IF IT IS 100%,OK,see where I am going?
    Now I said I would have said something because I wouldn't buy a Bersa on a bet,but if the wholesale value of the M14 is the same as the retail value of the Bersa then there really,is no problem.
    I may have told the kid to take it to the next gun show and get what it's worth retail,but if he was determined to get a handgun,then the store did it's job by trading him for the bersa

    Sometimes the book shows a very low price (check S&Ws in the blue book) and that's what the GS owner has to work with. The buyers are going to want to know the book value,so what ya gunna do?

    And I have NOT looked up the value of either gun,just putting out a What If?
     
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  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I got some magich beans one time.. but that's another story.
    There's lots of stories, especially about folk converting guns for cash. coulda whipped out yer wallet
     
  13. dobeman

    dobeman Hillsboro Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    what will be interesting is to see what said gun shop turns around and prices that mini 14 at.
     
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  14. mpperales

    mpperales Happy Valley, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I'll let you know tomorrow....:)
     
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    LyleLovett666 Seattle Active Member

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    An ethical business would not permit it's people to behave like this.
     
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  16. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    I agree. How much of a loss should one expect to take when trading? 20%?, 40%?, more? Heck pawn shops typically buy at 50% or less of retail so numerically speaking the kid did not do too badly, Considering the EXPECTED loss through a trade. And that's what everyone is getting so emotional about, the expected trade loss. I once stood next to a guy in a pawnshop who brought in a 'fair' early Commander in .38 Super - and stood there while they offered him $150 for it. And this shop has given me several pretty good deals over the years.
     
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    Hook686 Northern California Active Member

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    How do you know it was not stolen ? I had a guy once offer me a Colt 1903 .38 for $300. He never showed up at the gun smith I deal with.
     
  18. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    Which brings up a good point - If it WERE stolen then the dealer was at fault for not checking into it before taking it in on trade, but I guess a stolen gun could technically be 'clean' if it had not YET been reported as stolen. Probably the exception rather than the rule but anything is possible.
     
  19. Hook686

    Hook686 Northern California Active Member

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    Was it bought from the dealer, or the kid? If the dealer took it in yes I would think he ran a check on it. however from my reading the story the rifle was bought from the kid before it got to the dealer's hands. I certainly might be wrong in that. What do others think ?
     
  20. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    As he should have been. That was a pretty 'low' of the guy to even open his mouth inside the store. It's not an auction house. Like my own experience in a pawnshop I 'bit my tongue' and waited until the guy declined the $150 offer for the Commander and was planning on meeting him outside to make a reasonable offer but I missed him leaving.