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The #114 law that was just voted on and passed is wrong.
It is against the SECOND AMENDMENT and it is a HUGE civil rights issue too.
The so called pro gun groups should have done more. ALL of us know that.
I read what some of the GROUPS did and did not do on here. Plus THIS #114 ISSUE was in the national news and in my local news in my state too. BUT many people do not pay attention or they only listen to that FRAUD of a minister and other anti gun groups in Oregon and elsewhere.
Did the Pink Pistols, that Liberal Gun Club, and ANY other groups FIGHT THIS? Do any of you read their forums or news letters?
In my former state, the Pink Pistol members fought for PRO GUN RIGHTS along with the rest of us including me. I am an old lady and a heterosexual and most of the people like me WANTED their support even if we disagree on some other issues. I figure to each their own and I don't shove my beliefs down your throat and don't do it to me.
The PP group spoke up in my former state to get CCW and other PP members in other states were all over and supporting us as ONE of the LAST REMAINING TOP 7 ANTI CCW STATES even with a so called 'conservative and R governor' who would NOT do jack squat and LIED TO US. He would ONLY PASS - sign CCW for us IF the FOP and the State Highway Patrol wanted it. They NEVER WANTED IT and it never happened.
After the lying sack of dung R governor LEFT office and a D got in - that D governor PASSED IT - signed it into law. I voted for the R because of the FISCAL policies, for some other reasons and I believed him but all he did was LIE over and over again IN that specific CCW issue.
OREGON should have had ALL kinds of people from ALL backgrounds, colors, nationalities - heritage, both sexes, any other type of person who identifies as whatever (?), all ages, all religions and NON religious people, socio/economic groups, etc. COMBINE their efforts and claim that it was and STILL IS a civil rights issue.
Get some BIG NATIONAL ATTENTION! PLAY THE GAME that they play using the 'card' issue - whine a LOT and play the CARD GAME. They do it ALL OF THE TIME and right now - it would be okay in MY opinion to play UP the civil rights issue using that deck of CARDS and the MONEY ISSUE for the lower and middle class people. And especially since CRIME IS HIGH and the IDIOTS IN POWER want to DEFUND the police! STUPID MOVE plus they TIE THE HANDS of the police and you have a worthless court system that does NOT PUNISH THE CRIMINAL.
They should have been all over GUN SHOWS and GUN stores IF a store allowed them to do this!
(I used to do this at some gun shows when it came to CCW, voting, TAX LAWS, etc. They welcomed us, Republicans and Libertarians, and our tables.
I did NOT see any ANTI GUN GROUPS at those gun shows. NOT one table! We were in many counties all over the state. NOT just when there was an election in my former state too. Fair time, lots of fairs! Private gun club GUN shows that were OPEN to the public and for the members. I helped there at my private Sportsman's Club - I sold tickets at one table.)
If they say that the general population has to abide by it - the new GUN LAW and all OTHER GUN LAWS should APPLY TO ALL POLICE and county deputies. ALL cities and ALL counties.
The new OREGON GOVERNOR that I think IS another nut job like the last one that you have/had should have NO special security protection and IF they give her ANY police protection - she should ONLY GET someone carrying a pistol with ONLY 10 rounds in the magazine or a d/a or a s/a revolver. PLAIN SHOTGUN and plain rifle.
What IS good for the goose is good for the gander as the OLD SAYING GOES.
THIS SHOULD APPLY all across the country when it comes to our elected leaders (LOL - leaders?!) and to ALL law enforcement. Their homes and in the District of Criminals!
DISCLAIMER: I would let the MILITARY have more rounds in their firearms.
ALL military type equipment that the .gov folks have freely given with OUR TAX DOLLARS to the city/county law enforcement should be REMOVED from those states and NOT only in anti gun states.
I don't even own and never really wanted some of your styles of firearms since I like the OLD FASHIONED and CLASSIC firearms shy of a few Glock 19 pistols and Papoose (Late 90's and on.) but I do support and always have the RKBA for all people. BUT if the .gov FREAKS don't want YOU to have x, y or z - they should NOT have or be allowed to own what they want to TAKE AWAY FROM YOU!
I absolutely do BELIEVE that they WILL GO AFTER your ammunition and reloading supplies in OREGON and in other states using a FOID type of card like what SOME other states have had for some time.
You already KNOW what a cluster eff up that was in those states and what IS and has been going on in CA. PROOF of 'said gun' for such and such cartridge, etc.
IF you made it not only about the SECOND but came on strong about it being a HUGE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE - you may get somewhere.
Plus throw in getting some of the FAR LEFT and FAR RIGHT tax investigations when it comes to their leaders - religious or not and follow the money, follow it some more and CONNECT THE DOTS. BOTH SIDES do this not only one side!
I personally believe that ALL religious institutions should PAY taxes as we do. The 501C, etc. has been ABUSED and much more for all of these years.
That Oregon minister is a BIG, FAT LIAR and a FRAUD.
Technically NO minister, priest, rabbi, etc. should be PREACHING POLITICS and that sort of thing INSIDE of HIS religious building and NOT FROM SOME PULPIT or by an altar IF HE CLAIMS A 501C, etc.! A LOT of them on the FAR RIGHT and FAR LEFT have been doing this for years on end. They got away with it and they still are.
IF any of them do NOT claim a tax exempt status - they can PREACH whatever to their congregation!
I am a conservative with a libertarian slant believer - Christian but I do not belong to a specific religion or a BUILDING and have not since my 30's. MOST of the ones that I know a LOT ABOUT have gone apostate and even more so with all of this 'WOKE' garbage.
OTHER non religious groups and tons more have ABUSED their tax exempt status including many charities. That does INCLUDE former and present Presidential and other FOUNDATIONS - ugh! BUT that would get political so I will shut up there.
Old Lady Cate
It is against the SECOND AMENDMENT and it is a HUGE civil rights issue too.
The so called pro gun groups should have done more. ALL of us know that.
I read what some of the GROUPS did and did not do on here. Plus THIS #114 ISSUE was in the national news and in my local news in my state too. BUT many people do not pay attention or they only listen to that FRAUD of a minister and other anti gun groups in Oregon and elsewhere.
Did the Pink Pistols, that Liberal Gun Club, and ANY other groups FIGHT THIS? Do any of you read their forums or news letters?
In my former state, the Pink Pistol members fought for PRO GUN RIGHTS along with the rest of us including me. I am an old lady and a heterosexual and most of the people like me WANTED their support even if we disagree on some other issues. I figure to each their own and I don't shove my beliefs down your throat and don't do it to me.
The PP group spoke up in my former state to get CCW and other PP members in other states were all over and supporting us as ONE of the LAST REMAINING TOP 7 ANTI CCW STATES even with a so called 'conservative and R governor' who would NOT do jack squat and LIED TO US. He would ONLY PASS - sign CCW for us IF the FOP and the State Highway Patrol wanted it. They NEVER WANTED IT and it never happened.
After the lying sack of dung R governor LEFT office and a D got in - that D governor PASSED IT - signed it into law. I voted for the R because of the FISCAL policies, for some other reasons and I believed him but all he did was LIE over and over again IN that specific CCW issue.
OREGON should have had ALL kinds of people from ALL backgrounds, colors, nationalities - heritage, both sexes, any other type of person who identifies as whatever (?), all ages, all religions and NON religious people, socio/economic groups, etc. COMBINE their efforts and claim that it was and STILL IS a civil rights issue.
Get some BIG NATIONAL ATTENTION! PLAY THE GAME that they play using the 'card' issue - whine a LOT and play the CARD GAME. They do it ALL OF THE TIME and right now - it would be okay in MY opinion to play UP the civil rights issue using that deck of CARDS and the MONEY ISSUE for the lower and middle class people. And especially since CRIME IS HIGH and the IDIOTS IN POWER want to DEFUND the police! STUPID MOVE plus they TIE THE HANDS of the police and you have a worthless court system that does NOT PUNISH THE CRIMINAL.
They should have been all over GUN SHOWS and GUN stores IF a store allowed them to do this!
(I used to do this at some gun shows when it came to CCW, voting, TAX LAWS, etc. They welcomed us, Republicans and Libertarians, and our tables.
I did NOT see any ANTI GUN GROUPS at those gun shows. NOT one table! We were in many counties all over the state. NOT just when there was an election in my former state too. Fair time, lots of fairs! Private gun club GUN shows that were OPEN to the public and for the members. I helped there at my private Sportsman's Club - I sold tickets at one table.)
If they say that the general population has to abide by it - the new GUN LAW and all OTHER GUN LAWS should APPLY TO ALL POLICE and county deputies. ALL cities and ALL counties.
The new OREGON GOVERNOR that I think IS another nut job like the last one that you have/had should have NO special security protection and IF they give her ANY police protection - she should ONLY GET someone carrying a pistol with ONLY 10 rounds in the magazine or a d/a or a s/a revolver. PLAIN SHOTGUN and plain rifle.
What IS good for the goose is good for the gander as the OLD SAYING GOES.
THIS SHOULD APPLY all across the country when it comes to our elected leaders (LOL - leaders?!) and to ALL law enforcement. Their homes and in the District of Criminals!
DISCLAIMER: I would let the MILITARY have more rounds in their firearms.
ALL military type equipment that the .gov folks have freely given with OUR TAX DOLLARS to the city/county law enforcement should be REMOVED from those states and NOT only in anti gun states.
I don't even own and never really wanted some of your styles of firearms since I like the OLD FASHIONED and CLASSIC firearms shy of a few Glock 19 pistols and Papoose (Late 90's and on.) but I do support and always have the RKBA for all people. BUT if the .gov FREAKS don't want YOU to have x, y or z - they should NOT have or be allowed to own what they want to TAKE AWAY FROM YOU!
I absolutely do BELIEVE that they WILL GO AFTER your ammunition and reloading supplies in OREGON and in other states using a FOID type of card like what SOME other states have had for some time.
You already KNOW what a cluster eff up that was in those states and what IS and has been going on in CA. PROOF of 'said gun' for such and such cartridge, etc.
IF you made it not only about the SECOND but came on strong about it being a HUGE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE - you may get somewhere.
Plus throw in getting some of the FAR LEFT and FAR RIGHT tax investigations when it comes to their leaders - religious or not and follow the money, follow it some more and CONNECT THE DOTS. BOTH SIDES do this not only one side!
I personally believe that ALL religious institutions should PAY taxes as we do. The 501C, etc. has been ABUSED and much more for all of these years.
That Oregon minister is a BIG, FAT LIAR and a FRAUD.
Technically NO minister, priest, rabbi, etc. should be PREACHING POLITICS and that sort of thing INSIDE of HIS religious building and NOT FROM SOME PULPIT or by an altar IF HE CLAIMS A 501C, etc.! A LOT of them on the FAR RIGHT and FAR LEFT have been doing this for years on end. They got away with it and they still are.
IF any of them do NOT claim a tax exempt status - they can PREACH whatever to their congregation!
I am a conservative with a libertarian slant believer - Christian but I do not belong to a specific religion or a BUILDING and have not since my 30's. MOST of the ones that I know a LOT ABOUT have gone apostate and even more so with all of this 'WOKE' garbage.
OTHER non religious groups and tons more have ABUSED their tax exempt status including many charities. That does INCLUDE former and present Presidential and other FOUNDATIONS - ugh! BUT that would get political so I will shut up there.
Old Lady Cate
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