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I think that the 'market' is manipulated with the so called fake/real shortages.
NO problem if you do not agree with me.
I am not going to list all of the reasons for 'shortages' from a to z as I have in the past in this post. And with that said... I still SAY that it is manipulated big time.
Shelves can't be totally cleared off to Little to Zero = 0 products IF the products don't even get to the stores on the trucks.
I used to call some larger stores in the past (Years ago when the salami was going on after the CT murders.) and a bit recently (This past year.) and I was and still am told the same thing. "We are expecting a truck on such and such day. We do NOT know what is coming IN but we expect and have ordered bla, bla and bla."
So the truck may come in once a week or twice a week but that does NOT mean that what they ordered and wanted way back when or even later on actually CAME INTO the store ON that truck. And these are larger chain stores not just smaller local gun stores.
My MT husband still LOOKS on and off to check these things out and he sees the same thing. So do other people and this is during various times of the day/evening not just when someone is coming home from their morning walk/exercise time or close to dinner time in the evening. So if ALL of these people SEE the same thing at various times in small to large gun or sporting goods stores... where IS the merchandise?!
IT did not come in most of the time!
Sometimes a store might get 2 BOXES of fill in the blank factory ammo and NOT a full case too. RF or CF - that was what was going on. It happens now too. Especially in some ammo or reloading products.
I remember that in the past and now as some other people already posted here. That includes boxes of RF broken down into smaller packs too.
In one store up in the panhandle of Idaho, a store owner was breaking up a few boxes of BULK 22lr - loose rounds and he counted out 50 rounds of 22lr and put them in plastic sandwich bags to help his customers out. A friend of mine saw this done several times in that store. My friend did not need RF but he was in and out of the stores. He did gun shows too. (He did not sell guns but he did shows for years on end.)
The managers/owners in various stores across this nation and not only in MT or ID broke up larger bulk boxes of 22lr into smaller sealed 50 round boxes too. They were packed/shipped differently too.
Another thing, some of the smaller stores that no longer exist and some that may still exist were told POINT BLANK at the Shot Show and from their distributors that the BIG stores had first choice ahead of them because they always bought more as a chain, etc. My husband knew the owners/managers of a couple of OLD MT gun stores and he and I were told this. And this was told to smaller stores who always placed a large order of x, y or z in one big order to make up a good load of stock for their store.
Plus they always ordered AHEAD of time and you could almost always FIND something there that you may not be able to find elsewhere in some larger stores. But some of those smaller stores got royally screwed by their various distributors and FACTORY ammunition and reloading product companies when it came to what they were TOLD and how they were TREATED when it came to their own orders! And it did not matter if they were in business from the 40's or the early 50's too!
I personally think that something is odd aka MANIPULATED because when ALL of the salami was going on in the USA - you could LOOK at the Canadian websites and SEE what they had in stock. Not just stores (Various branches.) that were in the USA but they were in Canada too. Gee, they had STOCK on hand!
Another example of the USA versus Canada IN STOCK in the store! (I am not talking about shipping now.) One store was called Canadian Tire and they did not have 'shortages' going on like you saw in the past or may still see (Not sure?!) NOW when it comes to RF, CF and some shotgun shells.
I do not remember if I ever LOOKED for reloading stock at the Canadian Tire place but I did LOOK for it online at Canadian large chain stores and at some smaller Canadian stores and the STOCK was there. Go figure!
Years ago, you could read about people in other countries and they did not have these fake/real shortages even though some of them DID and still DO have a good sized shooting community.
I think that it IS part of a globalist agenda too. I agree with a few people who say the same thing. You can laugh at me. NO problem!
I think that it is ALL manipulated. Just like gold, silver, diamonds, some other mining ores - minerals and even the stock market is manipulated in it's own way. NOT just with inside trading deals too!
Funny thing is that IF these shortages happened to ANY other products (Other than TP recently but it did come back fast!) that most people love or worship like their boob tube, their tv channels, their cellular telephones that they can't get their NOSE/EYES out of, their shoes, etc. - you would NOT see those shortages go on and on (As in YEARS on end especially during the Obama times.) as you DID and DO SEE when it comes to anything GUN related in my opinion.
So in my opinion the market IS manipulated. There are shortages due to various REASONS as we all know. IT is not just due to the supply chain, riots, crazy times, the elections, a salami 'virus' where the CURE IS WORSE THAN THE DISEASE, KILL the economy CRAZY policies, the Great Reset which was/is planned, the main SOURCE of some minerals and products that may or may not come from inside or OUTSIDE of the USA, etc.
So IF all of these PRODUCTS from a to z are being made non stop... where IS all of IT and why is it not on the trucks and being delivered to various stores that had ORDERS in almost a YEAR ago and forward?!
We have what we need at home because we planned ahead. Not every person can do this but if they did a little at a time on a REGULAR basis... some of them could do this. We used to be high volume shooters too. So we never had OLD stock on hand as some people have in their homes. We never ordered 'cases' of this or that online either. I am NOT knocking people who did this or still do this. Whatever trips their trigger!
The new shooters and the new reloaders are in a pinch. Especially the younger ones who were just able to get into the sport due to their age, their location if they got out of the military especially if they lived on their ship, their budget, a move from another country to the USA, getting laid off due to the virus salami, etc.
Older shooters if they are Not Newbies to the sport should have known all about this but many older shooters do NOT shoot on a VERY regular basis too. NOT everyone was or is into competition or high volume shooting for years on end.
Some of them do NOT understand or even KNOW about fake/real shortages or the crazy times in the GUN and gun related products world even if they follow the salami news.
Shooting will become a rich man's sport and even though there are cycles to all of these manipulated MESSES - there comes a time where people will just continue to shoot what they have! These are people who planned ahead, NOT hoarders who never shoot and JUST SIT on their stock. They are able to do that and if that is their THING - more power to them.
There is a difference between a hoarder and a planned ahead person who actually USES what they buy or make on a regular basis in MY opinion.
When the 'shooters' reach a certain LEVEL with their personal STOCK at home where they want to save what they have because they are concerned over a LACK of production, availability, bans, restrictions, etc. - they will just STOP shooting or only shoot a few rounds a YEAR if that to keep up their skills.
I think that these times and the times after the CT murders are worse than other crazy times. My MT husband said the same thing although he has been shooting since he was a Kid and me since the late 90's and on. He did see other shortages and was not bothered by them. He was concerned about one item around the ASW ban time but he did NOT run out. He was low in one thing.
He IS going to continue to shoot but he has LOWERED his rounds per day in RF and in CF as I stated in one post the other day. I think that he is going to reload some .223 cartridges next week too. He still shoots on a very regular basis - 5 to 6 days per week.
He and I have OTHER interests too. They do not involve guns 24/7 too.
Old Lady Cate
NO problem if you do not agree with me.
I am not going to list all of the reasons for 'shortages' from a to z as I have in the past in this post. And with that said... I still SAY that it is manipulated big time.
Shelves can't be totally cleared off to Little to Zero = 0 products IF the products don't even get to the stores on the trucks.
I used to call some larger stores in the past (Years ago when the salami was going on after the CT murders.) and a bit recently (This past year.) and I was and still am told the same thing. "We are expecting a truck on such and such day. We do NOT know what is coming IN but we expect and have ordered bla, bla and bla."
So the truck may come in once a week or twice a week but that does NOT mean that what they ordered and wanted way back when or even later on actually CAME INTO the store ON that truck. And these are larger chain stores not just smaller local gun stores.
My MT husband still LOOKS on and off to check these things out and he sees the same thing. So do other people and this is during various times of the day/evening not just when someone is coming home from their morning walk/exercise time or close to dinner time in the evening. So if ALL of these people SEE the same thing at various times in small to large gun or sporting goods stores... where IS the merchandise?!
IT did not come in most of the time!
Sometimes a store might get 2 BOXES of fill in the blank factory ammo and NOT a full case too. RF or CF - that was what was going on. It happens now too. Especially in some ammo or reloading products.
I remember that in the past and now as some other people already posted here. That includes boxes of RF broken down into smaller packs too.
In one store up in the panhandle of Idaho, a store owner was breaking up a few boxes of BULK 22lr - loose rounds and he counted out 50 rounds of 22lr and put them in plastic sandwich bags to help his customers out. A friend of mine saw this done several times in that store. My friend did not need RF but he was in and out of the stores. He did gun shows too. (He did not sell guns but he did shows for years on end.)
The managers/owners in various stores across this nation and not only in MT or ID broke up larger bulk boxes of 22lr into smaller sealed 50 round boxes too. They were packed/shipped differently too.
Another thing, some of the smaller stores that no longer exist and some that may still exist were told POINT BLANK at the Shot Show and from their distributors that the BIG stores had first choice ahead of them because they always bought more as a chain, etc. My husband knew the owners/managers of a couple of OLD MT gun stores and he and I were told this. And this was told to smaller stores who always placed a large order of x, y or z in one big order to make up a good load of stock for their store.
Plus they always ordered AHEAD of time and you could almost always FIND something there that you may not be able to find elsewhere in some larger stores. But some of those smaller stores got royally screwed by their various distributors and FACTORY ammunition and reloading product companies when it came to what they were TOLD and how they were TREATED when it came to their own orders! And it did not matter if they were in business from the 40's or the early 50's too!
I personally think that something is odd aka MANIPULATED because when ALL of the salami was going on in the USA - you could LOOK at the Canadian websites and SEE what they had in stock. Not just stores (Various branches.) that were in the USA but they were in Canada too. Gee, they had STOCK on hand!
Another example of the USA versus Canada IN STOCK in the store! (I am not talking about shipping now.) One store was called Canadian Tire and they did not have 'shortages' going on like you saw in the past or may still see (Not sure?!) NOW when it comes to RF, CF and some shotgun shells.
I do not remember if I ever LOOKED for reloading stock at the Canadian Tire place but I did LOOK for it online at Canadian large chain stores and at some smaller Canadian stores and the STOCK was there. Go figure!
Years ago, you could read about people in other countries and they did not have these fake/real shortages even though some of them DID and still DO have a good sized shooting community.
I think that it IS part of a globalist agenda too. I agree with a few people who say the same thing. You can laugh at me. NO problem!
I think that it is ALL manipulated. Just like gold, silver, diamonds, some other mining ores - minerals and even the stock market is manipulated in it's own way. NOT just with inside trading deals too!
Funny thing is that IF these shortages happened to ANY other products (Other than TP recently but it did come back fast!) that most people love or worship like their boob tube, their tv channels, their cellular telephones that they can't get their NOSE/EYES out of, their shoes, etc. - you would NOT see those shortages go on and on (As in YEARS on end especially during the Obama times.) as you DID and DO SEE when it comes to anything GUN related in my opinion.
So in my opinion the market IS manipulated. There are shortages due to various REASONS as we all know. IT is not just due to the supply chain, riots, crazy times, the elections, a salami 'virus' where the CURE IS WORSE THAN THE DISEASE, KILL the economy CRAZY policies, the Great Reset which was/is planned, the main SOURCE of some minerals and products that may or may not come from inside or OUTSIDE of the USA, etc.
So IF all of these PRODUCTS from a to z are being made non stop... where IS all of IT and why is it not on the trucks and being delivered to various stores that had ORDERS in almost a YEAR ago and forward?!
We have what we need at home because we planned ahead. Not every person can do this but if they did a little at a time on a REGULAR basis... some of them could do this. We used to be high volume shooters too. So we never had OLD stock on hand as some people have in their homes. We never ordered 'cases' of this or that online either. I am NOT knocking people who did this or still do this. Whatever trips their trigger!
The new shooters and the new reloaders are in a pinch. Especially the younger ones who were just able to get into the sport due to their age, their location if they got out of the military especially if they lived on their ship, their budget, a move from another country to the USA, getting laid off due to the virus salami, etc.
Older shooters if they are Not Newbies to the sport should have known all about this but many older shooters do NOT shoot on a VERY regular basis too. NOT everyone was or is into competition or high volume shooting for years on end.
Some of them do NOT understand or even KNOW about fake/real shortages or the crazy times in the GUN and gun related products world even if they follow the salami news.
Shooting will become a rich man's sport and even though there are cycles to all of these manipulated MESSES - there comes a time where people will just continue to shoot what they have! These are people who planned ahead, NOT hoarders who never shoot and JUST SIT on their stock. They are able to do that and if that is their THING - more power to them.
There is a difference between a hoarder and a planned ahead person who actually USES what they buy or make on a regular basis in MY opinion.
When the 'shooters' reach a certain LEVEL with their personal STOCK at home where they want to save what they have because they are concerned over a LACK of production, availability, bans, restrictions, etc. - they will just STOP shooting or only shoot a few rounds a YEAR if that to keep up their skills.
I think that these times and the times after the CT murders are worse than other crazy times. My MT husband said the same thing although he has been shooting since he was a Kid and me since the late 90's and on. He did see other shortages and was not bothered by them. He was concerned about one item around the ASW ban time but he did NOT run out. He was low in one thing.
He IS going to continue to shoot but he has LOWERED his rounds per day in RF and in CF as I stated in one post the other day. I think that he is going to reload some .223 cartridges next week too. He still shoots on a very regular basis - 5 to 6 days per week.
He and I have OTHER interests too. They do not involve guns 24/7 too.
Old Lady Cate
It will never change
