What if we get an incoming ICBM alert like Hawaii?

[Colts4me]

I would try and talk the wife into one last quick one. But at our age, it would take me the 5 minutes missile fly time to get her to quit laughing at me. Not like the younger days when a 5 minute window of opportunity in the barn before her dad came back was good enough.

I dunno, apocalyptic sex would be real good but the full four hours with viagra might be wasted.

Edited to add, there wouldn't be anyone to brag to.

 

[Ura-Ki]

^^^ROTFLMAO^^^ I just about fell outta my chair! That's funny!

 

[Ura-Ki]

That's almost as bad as a bee sting on your unit, its all swelled up good, and you cant even look at it, let alone do any thing fun!!!

 

[nammac]

Slaughter Bots

Can certainly see this as a way to tip the scales, imagine targeting every conservative, every constitutionalist and every republican? Then the whole nation could become one great big Chicago...

 

[bbbass]

then proceed to bang every chick where I work that I was interested in.....just sayn.....theoretically.......

In your dreams!

 

[cookie]

House? There's a manhole (gigity) right close with my name on it.. I've got a key, too..

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What happens when all the air is sucked out of the sewers then the concussion fron the boom !

 

[Skier]

update, here it is with one of the nukes NOKO tested recently (2017)....

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Yeah, I was looking over this map as well, but for my various calculations, here's what I figured... The recent NoKo detonation was estimated at 150Kt (as used in your simulation above), but other estimates suggested it might have been as high as 300Kt (based on seismic data), so I know that's bigger than the last one they tested, and assuming they will continue to try and make them more powerful, I decided to take the current worst-case scenario (300Kt) and double it to 600Kt (assuming by the time anything happens, they've made some improvements). So, with that in mind, I came up with this map/info (assuming, deadcenter of Portland, as calculated by the map software:

Source: NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

Here's the airburst map:


Here's the groundburst map:



I live in the West Beaverton Area, and both the maps above show 3rd degree burns out to the Raleigh Hills and Garden Home area...

Looking at the Effects Chart here:

Effects of nuclear explosions - Wikipedia



It seems to me that from the distance at which you get third degree burns, you can expand that radius by roughly a third and get the radius for 2nd degree burns (i.e. <distance of third degree burns> * 133% = <distance of 2nd degree burns>), and do that same calculation again for 1st degree burns (i.e. X * 133% * 133% = first degree burns). Rough estimates, I know, but that would seem to put my home in roughly the 2nd degree burns area for a 600Kt nuke on Portland. That might actually be somewhat further mitigated by a ground burst, due to the West Hills, but if I were NoKo and wanted to create the most death quickly, I'd go with airburst, as it kills more, puts less radiation in the air, and would also have a longer ranging EMP effect. Scary stuff, but good to have a somewhat more realistic perspective on what the actual damage might be.

 

[CoastRange57]

Lots of work there. Convince me that downtown Portland has any strategic value worth a nuke.

 

[Colts4me]

Lots of work there. Convince me that downtown Portland has any strategic value worth a nuke.

Just guessing two sets of bridges over the Columbia, a main freeway connection north to south and to the east. Airport and in the case of a war fought by attrition, plenty of folks to be targets.

 

[Koda]

Lots of work there. Convince me that downtown Portland has any strategic value worth a nuke.

what was the strategic value of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

 

[Tony617]

Just guessing two sets of bridges over the Columbia, a main freeway connection north to south and to the east. Airport and in the case of a war fought by attrition, plenty of folks to be targets.

There is Bangor submarine base, Bremerton Navy Base, Everett Navy Base, Langely AFB, McChord AFB, and Fort Lewis Army base around the Washington State area.

 

[CoastRange57]

what was the strategic value of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Good point. I don't know really. Seems like the first time use of nuclear weapons in war really had one purpose to end WW II.

I just don't see the value in nuking Portland proper and all its coffee shops when you could pop one on Bonneville, kill the power to Portland and all the hipsters will be rioting in 24 hours with no coffee or internet connections.

 

[Koda]

Good point. I don't know really. Seems like the first time use of nuclear weapons in war really had one purpose to end WW II.

id bet Seattle and its military presence would be hit first, then Cali... but Portland is a port town and would then be central to rebuilding the west coast, he has to have more than 3 nukes... I can only guess, but IMO Rocketman is not sane and would also just nuke us for the sheer death and destruction of it. Its really about how many nukes he has in his arsenal when shtf.

I just don't see the value in nuking Portland proper and all its coffee shops when you could pop one on Bonneville, kill the power to Portland and all the hipsters will be rioting in 24 hours with no coffee or internet connections.

now thats just funny right there... don't be giving Rocketman and ideas here, this is a public forum so hes watching us...

 

[uscsoldier]

what was the strategic value of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

From everything I've read it had to do with weather/visibility for the bombers

 

[Argonaut]

Just guessing two sets of bridges over the Columbia, a main freeway connection north to south and to the east. Airport and in the case of a war fought by attrition, plenty of folks to be targets.

what was the strategic value of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Those are easy questions.......Hiroshima and Nagasaki were simply to illustrate what we had developed to everyone, common citizen as well as war leader. They didn't know how many more we had and there airforce was decimated so there was no defense from the weapon.if we are talking about little rocket man, he has very few weapons, even though Clinton sold him guidance technology, he hasn't proven he can hit anything, only that he can build a rocket that has the range to get here. With the estimated eight weapons he does have the only practical use would be to hit command and control centers. Not population centers or military bases that will have already launched a tactical response or is populated by an army that takes weeks to deploy. An exchange with North Korea would be over in a matter of hours, we would have a bloody nose and lots of Americans would die but North Korea would be relegated to stone quarry status. If he hit the northwest or Portland, it would be by mistake. I might be worried if my ranch was near Cheyanne Mountian or Washington DC. If he ever does launch, it will be a pure act of suicide with the intent of taking his entire country with him.

 

[Koda]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have cost us more American lives to invade than those bombs took, thats why we used them. The only other option was to invade the mainland. I do agree that Rocketman has much less than he claims, both in numbers and technology... if he has 8 hes doing pretty good for a country with so many import sanctions.

 

[Skier]

I think planning for the earthquake is a better use of time. With a nuke you have 15-20 minutes before it hits. With the earthquake you get zero warning. Plan for 2 weeks of being stuck at home with no services. you need water, food, heating or cooking ability, protection from looters and those who did not plan.

If you got a 15 minute warning for a nuke in Portland just imagine all the panic on the highways. You'll be microwaved in your car like a TV dinner with the rest of them. There is no escape plan for that unless you want to start digging a tunnel out of town.

Amazon sells #10 mountain house cans. Do what I did an order one can every few months regularly. They last 30 years so they will outlive me. Get a few life straws at $20 each. You can drink straight from sewage with those things if you needed to. hundred hour candles are cheep as well.

For a $100 a person you can be minimally prepared for at least 3 days. Preparing over time reduces the sticker shock of what to buy.

Good points. One things I'd mention is that, from a water filtration point of view, I'd recommend Sawyer filters over Life Straws.

The Sawyer filter had "holes" half the size of the Life Straws, so you're pretty darn well protected from just about everything but viruses (which would likely be found in sewage, like you suggested, but just about any other natural water source, e.g. lake, river, creek, etc, would be very safe to drink. Locally, I think some of the most likely bad-stuff you'd find in water would probably be giardia, which the Sawyer definitely filters better.... Here's the filter specs:

Sawyer:

• Removes 99.99999% of all bacteria, such as salmonella, cholera and E.coli; removes 99.9999% of all protozoa, such as giardia and cryptosporidium, 0.1 Micron absolute hollow fiber membrane inline filter, exceeding EPA and NSF recommendations

LifeStraw

• Removes minimum 99.9999% of waterborne bacteria, 99.9% of waterborne protozoan parasites, and filters to 0.2 microns; surpasses EPA filter standards, filters to 0.2 microns, surpasses EPA filter standards

Just for some quick math, remembering that bacteria area really small, and you can have a lot in a given area, if you have, say, 1 million of them in a gallon of water, with a 99.9% filter, if you drank that gallon of water, you'd still ingest 1000 of them... With a 99.9999% filter, you'd get 1. On another note, the CDC recommends a 1 micron or smaller absolute pore size in a water filters, and filtering to NSF specs, to be able to filter out giardia effectively.

LifeStraw isn't a bad product in general, but I'm just saying that they're better out there.

Here's some info from the CDC on Water Filters.

A Guide to Water Filters | Cryptosporidium | Parasites | CDC

 

[Camelfilter]

If rocket man fired off a or a few at us, it would be just to show that he would. Target would more likely be high civilian populations, as he has zero capability to "win".

It'd just be to show the world he would, and to continue his ransom.

He would not survive to see his ransom, but crazy is gonna crazy.

Another reason he should not have the capability to crazy on a global scale.

The "other" downside, should he start a nuclear war, would be other countries seeing that as an "ok" for there own strikes. India/paki, Iran/Israel, would be my initial thoughts.

 

[Koda]

The Sawyer filter had "holes" half the size of the Life Straws, so you're pretty darn well protected from just about everything but viruses (which would likely be found in sewage, like you suggested, but just about any other natural water source, e.g. lake, river, creek, etc, would be very safe to drink.

probably not streams and watersheds here in the urban/city environment, we dump raw sewage into them regularly.... if a big quake hit, our sewer system pipes would fail...
Its important to know that the Lifestraw and the Sawyer filter, while they work great for hiking and emergencies... are not purifiers, your right about viruses.

 

[Argonaut]

If rocket man fired off a or a few at us, it would be just to show that he would. Target would more likely be high civilian populations, as he has zero capability to "win".

It'd just be to show the world he would, and to continue his ransom.

He would not survive to see his ransom, but crazy is gonna crazy.

Another reason he should not have the capability to crazy on a global scale.

The "other" downside, should he start a nuclear war, would be other countries seeing that as an "ok" for there own strikes. India/paki, Iran/Israel, would be my initial thoughts.

I wouldn't be demoralized, feel defeated or held hostage if he took out Portland. It isn't as if we had undergone a bloody 4 year war that we were obviously loosing at an accelerating rate. It would be his only shot, if he shot 8 weapons, 2 might get through, China has already given permission for us to strike him as long as he shoots first. I wouldn't miss anything in Portland with the exception of Salty's Resturaunt and look at the liberals it would take out.