We Live in a Democracy!!

[Martini_Up]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the Democracy, for which it stands,
one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."



Yeah, we don't!! I was amazed when I asked a few friends and then my own teenage child what they believed and all said DEMOCRACY. How sad.

I post this up as a reminder to all that we are a REPUBLIC and even though it is similar to a democracy, there is one massive difference: In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

Now go forth and spread the truth to those that erroneously believe we're a democracy!!!!

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[simon99]

+1 Good post Martini....

Its been touched on before, but this is just more evidence of social propaganda that has intoxicated the public school system over the years. When you ingrain these lies into peoples minds, its all they know and understand. I think its time for a massive reboot.

 

[Certaindeaf]

The retards don't know we have a democratic republic. no slight intended at all

 

[Martini_Up]

I would say Constitutional Republic. We don't have Democratic Republic.

Democratic Republic sounds so Africa.

 

[dobeman]

yes we are nominally a republic. one, a republic in which the elected representatives act in accordance with party political platforms, not the will of their constituents. The two aren't the same. and it's interesting that the states conveniently revert to a democracy in the form of majority vote initiatives to enact more taxes on the people. Logic there being it's too politically unpopular to pass new taxes so dress it up and let the people vote on it without really knowing what they are voting for.

 

[U201491]

I would say Constitutional Republic. We don't have Democratic Republic

 

[trainsktg]

A Democracy is two wolves and one lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

Keith

 

[Certaindeaf]

I would say Constitutional Republic. We don't have Democratic Republic.

Democratic Republic sounds so Africa.

So you don't vote? or you just like queefing in the wind.

 

[DeanfromOregon]

Representative Republic always sounded right to me.

 

[Martini_Up]

So you don't vote? or you just like queefing in the wind.

Up wind from you, yes. And I also vote. What's your point?

 

[Certaindeaf]

Up wind from you, yes. And I also vote. What's your point?

I thought you were trying to say something but you answered your own question. you go!
It's a binomial or are you a true simpleton?

 

[rumblebee1967]

I do believe we live in a democracy as again show in the senate today. We were designed as a republic but we are no longer one. The majority dictates what is happening in our government, and it is a majority of the elected officials. The largest problem with this is that officials are elected in some areas due to large populations such as Seattle and Tacoma by people that do not have the same interests or needs as people that live in less populated areas. On a smaller scale for example, people who live in Bellingham can have radically different transportation needs and availability than those in smaller towns such as Ferndale, Sumas or even Glacier. Yet those who have no need for a car and can use the bus system for transportation want people who need cars due to the lack of a bus system to subsidize the bus system to keep rider costs down. We are increasingly a society of has who have no need or sympathy for the have nots. This is happening on all levels from the National level down to the local level. Someday it will all fail as history has always shown. It is never a peaceful happening because the people in power have no desire to give give even a little back to the common folk.

 

[Martini_Up]

U.S. Constitution, Article IV, Section 4. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government."

republican: re-pub-li-can.

adjective. of a form of government. belonging to characteristic of a republic.

The U.S. Constitution doesn't even have the word democracy written in it.

Perhaps we have natives from these countries posting here: Democratic-Republic of the Congo. The now long-gone German Democratic Republic (E. Germany) Or maybe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (N.Korea)?? And this is why they would like to characterize the U.S.A. as a Democratic-Republic and would like to change it more reflect those country's governments.

Again, we in the United States of America ARE NOT a Democratic Republic. The more we realize that, the better we will be at stopping those that want us to roll over to the idea of best for the group vs. individual rights.

 

[DMax]

We are a republic but acting like a Democracy. The biggest difference between the 2 is the rule of law. A republic votes on law by we the people representative. A democracy is a king like leader changing the law at will without congress. Any of that sounding familiar? The longer we the people let that continue, tyranny will end our republic and I would say we are well on our way. Is everyone's back against the wall yet? If so where's the push back.
You would think that the 2A pretenders on the left would see where this is leading but then you have to think and not cry about it.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Ben Franklin

 

[fd15k]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Widely attributed to Franklin on the Internet, sometimes without the second sentence. It is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in English literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.[11]
The earliest known similar statements are:
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Gary Strand, Usenet group sci.environment, 23 April 1990. [12]
Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.
Marvin Simkin, "Individual Rights", Los Angeles Times, 12 January 1992:[13]
Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
James Bovard, Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (1994), ISBN 0312123337, p. 333
Also cited as by Bovard in the Sacramento Bee (1994)

Benjamin Franklin - Wikiquote

 

[U201491]

+1 Good post Martini....

Its been touched on before, but this is just more evidence of social propaganda that has intoxicated the public school system over the years. When you ingrain these lies into peoples minds, its all they know and understand. I think its time for a massive reboot.

Yes, very good !

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Benjamin Franklin - Wikiquote

Regardless of it's origin it's true

 

[fd15k]

Regardless of it's origin it's true

Well, there is more :

A distinct set of definitions for the word republic evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster's dictionary of 1828. It was a novel meaning to the term; representative democracy was not an idea mentioned by Machiavelli and did not exist in the classical republics.[47] Also, there is evidence that contemporaries of Madison considered the meaning of the word to reflect the definition found elsewhere, as is the case with a quotation of Benjamin Franklin taken from the notes of James McHenry. Where the question is put forth, "a Republic or a Monarchy?"[48]

The term republic does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, but does appear in Article IV of the Constitution which "guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government." What exactly the writers of the constitution felt this should mean is uncertain. The Supreme Court, in Luther v. Borden (1849), declared that the definition of republic was a "political question" in which it would not intervene. In two later cases, it did establish a basic definition. In United States v. Cruikshank (1875), the court ruled that the "equal rights of citizens" were inherent to the idea of a republic.

However, the term republic is not synonymous with the republican form. The republican form is defined as one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. [49]

Beyond these basic definitions the word republic has a number of other connotations. W. Paul Adams observes that republic is most often used in the United States as a synonym for state or government, but with more positive connotations than either of those terms.[50] Republicanism is often referred to as the founding ideology of the United States. Traditionally scholars believed this American republicanism was a derivation of the classical liberal ideologies of John Locke and others developed in Europe.

A political philosophy of republicanism that formed during the Renaissance period, and initiated by Machiavelli, was thought to have had little impact on the founders of the United States. In the 1960s and 1970s a revisionist school[citation needed] led by the likes of Bernard Bailyn began to argue that republicanism was just as or even more important than liberalism in the creation of the United States.[51] This issue is still much disputed and scholars like Isaac Kramnick completely reject this view.[52]

Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

People are too jumpy when it comes to conclusions.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

My conclusion is that we are a republic with some democratic aspects and that all would be well if we had closed the immigration floodgates long ago, as in the post 1870 era. This nation was crated for the posterity of the founders, who could understand and support our form of government

BTW wikipedia has a lot of error and false conclusions, I only use it once in awhile if I'm in a hurry