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Dunno, how I was dumb or smart enough to get involved in a not too hilarious discussion with so many experts. I just hope some dumb or stupid kid reads this and realizes that Glocks and for that matter many stryker fired pistols don't belong in your packpack or pockets, school bag. I am going to post a thread in the handgun section "Striker fired pistols" and I hope some of you will avail yourselves to discuss the various type stryker pistol systems out there so our educational levels on them will be enhanced. Spad