Twin Star Credit Union No Firearms policy

[Caveman Jim]

That's not what scares me. What scares me is people who I know can't shoot nearly was well as they "think" they can, then want to play the hero and take out the dobad. Hopefully they will never be put in the position to try since I VERY much doubt it will go like they think it will. Too many of these guys watch too much TV.

Ok, I got cha. Agreed 100%

 

[mjbskwim]

Some bank robbers are pretty stupid too
Down on 54th? and So Tacoma way is a B of A. Probably 50+ cameras everywhere. Including both sides of the stations
Bullet proof glass about 3" thick with enough room for your little envelope.
So I'm driving down So Tacoma way and there are cops everywhere,lol Someone actually tried to rob the place.
I mean it's bullet proof
Well I got a kick out of it.

 

[billdeserthills]

I would look into closing my account (if you have that option) and going with another credit union. If I was a member, I would still carry lol. Those motheryukers have one job, keep my money and give it to me when I need it... ok that's two jobs lol.

I have closed two accounts at 2 different banks over the last 10 years, both for changing their policy into 'No Guns'. Last bank came up with a No shirt, No shoes, No hoodys & No Guns policy, because the last guy to rob the bank wore a hoody and had a gun. I tried to explain to the folks in charge that their being recently robbed was even more reason why I needed to carry in their bank, but I finally wound up closing my account there too. I won't put up with people endangering my life unless there is no other way about it, like at the airport, for instance

 

[billdeserthills]

Aren't all banks gun free zones?

Not unless they serve alcohol

 

[ob1]

Nothing against armed security guards with me, I see no reason they couldnt stop a robbery. The only problem with them is the more determined robbers will have a plan to take them out first.

And there in lies the number one argument against them. The mere presence of them in a congested setting like inside a bank lobby invites hostage taking or a pre-emptive shooting as part of the robber's plan. You then have to accept the likelihood of bystanders getting hit in the exchange.
The contract security guard industry in general, does not provide a high amount of real world training for it's employees. . Above the state mandated training, ..... (24 hours in Oregon) ..(DPSST Private Security Armed Security Professional) companies can't require much more experience for their employees who are not paid much more than the prevailing minimum wage. Their customer base won't pay for the added expense in contract negotiations.
Add to this the fact that many law enforcement agencies discourage their trained bona fide officers from attempting a take down inside a bank during a robbery for the same risk considerations.

 

[Koda]

And there in lies the number one argument against them. The mere presence of them in a congested setting like inside a bank lobby invites hostage taking or a pre-emptive shooting as part of the robber's plan. You then have to accept the likelihood of bystanders getting hit in the exchange.

I might only agree about the pre-emptive shooting on the robbers plan, take the guards out first of course. But we need to be careful about criticizing the training and effectiveness of armed security. As gun owners demanding our right to self defense and carry anywhere the same things can be said about us, and we don't have any training mandated to carry except an NRA safety class. Washington state has no training requirement at all...

Its just that I don't see why some armed security professionals wouldn't take their position seriously enough to get advanced training, just like many armed citizens do when they pay for advanced DH1, DH2 etc. classes.

 

[ob1]

I can agree with your point as well, especially as it pertains to an individuals right to self defense under the 2A.
However, when someone straps on a gun as a condition of his employment, we enter into a different reality.
Yes, it be would great if all private security officers obtained, or were required to obtain more training, but that is far from what is happening out there. One reason for this, as I alluded to earlier, is that we are talking about a lower pay scale occupation. Much of the training you suggest would simply be cost prohibitive to someone barely making it as it is. Sadly, we are not talking about a life long career for most.

 

[Koda]

I can agree with your point as well, especially as it pertains to an individuals right to self defense under the 2A.
However, when someone straps on a gun as a condition of his employment, we enter into a different reality.
Yes, it would great if all private security officers obtained, or were required to obtain more training, but that is far from what is happening out there. One reason for this, as I alluded to earlier, is that we are talking about a lower pay scale occupation. Much of the training you suggest would simply be cost prohibitive to someone barely making as it is. Sadly, we are not talking about a life long career for most.

yup, that was my main point. Security officers are well equipped to stop a bank robbery, if they are not taken out first as part of the plan.

then, and this is just my opinion, but the problem with private security is the very need for it is complete overhead expense... so naturally it often goes to the lowest bidder. Then if the guard is doing a good job he deters crime which lends the client to want to cut back... I could be wrong but thats what it seems like.

 

[ron]

I do not belong to Twin Star. They allow access to my Credit Union
no charge. I know in OR the "No Gun" sign holds no force of law.
What about WA state?
As gun owners I say we need to be an example of polite behavior.
Know matter how bad it boils your blood. Us gun owners must commit to
taking a newbie shooting. Introducing people to some fun 22 shooting
can change opinions towards firearms. And we are in the fight for our
gun rights on the left coast. Prevent the CA 'Gun Safety' cancer from
moving north.

 

[ob1]

then, and this is just my opinion, but the problem with private security is the very need for it is complete overhead expense... so naturally it often goes to the lowest bidder.

LOL...yeah, kind of like a government contract.

yup, that was my main point. Security officers are well equipped to stop a bank robbery, if they are not taken out first as part of the plan.

Or... hostages are taken from inside the bank, in which case they are not equipped at all to handle the situation... in fact they could be making the problem worse.
About 25 years ago when banks first started putting lexan walls around their teller rows, (bandit barriers) a marked increase was seen in robbers threatening to take customers and unprotected employees as hostages. This an obvious response to not being able to get at the tellers. Inserting a marginally trained contract security guard into this fray would have much the same result.
I do not agree though with the notion that these guards have an active role beyond standing outside the building and looking scary. They are not being trained or paid to be police officers. Besides that, we are pretty much beyond the days of stopping bank robbers in the act. Modern technology with dye packs, tracking beacons, high quality video etc. has made the crime a pretty dumb way to get money. They are getting better results hitting the ATM's these days. Besides, it's just paper... that's why the banks pay their insurance premiums anyway. No need for the OK Corral anymore.
I am getting off track from the original thread topic, which is an important one, so I'm out for the moment...

 

[Connor Murphy]

Credit unions are not federal buildings. I don't look for "no guns" signs, so I never see them.

Yes, I have "no gun sign blindness ". It's something like night blindness. Only different.

 

[Sgt Nambu]

I make merchant deposits at B of A never have looked for a sign and don't really have a plan to. If they want my money and my business then I will carry to ensure my safety while there.

Its amazing to me how many people look so clueless while in a bank. I find my self standing in line watching the door and the people around me. If the sh$t hits the fan I'd like to see it coming and now a days you just never know.

I'm with you, pal! I look clueless in places like that, but I'm watching everyone and everything. Jacket is open, ready!
Banks, stores, eaterys and especially hospitals! Wife was an RN and I've seen some sketchy poo go on in them!

 

[nammac]

I'm with you, pal! I look clueless in places like that, but I'm watching everyone and everything. Jacket is open, ready!
Banks, stores, eaterys and especially hospitals! Wife was an RN and I've seen some sketchy poo go on in them!

Grey man, but vigilant...

 

[JohnnyD]

I bank with twin star as well and only some.of those branches have that sign doesn't stop me from carrying in there

 

[jsparks747]

It's not keeping them safer, it's making them easier to rob.

 

[etrain16]

Even the armored truck crews (who do carry inside banks) are armed for self-defense, not to protect the cash, which is insured. If they do go all John Wayne, it's going to be outside the scope of their employment.

About 20 years ago, I did a job walk to assess some electrical work at an armored car company. It was like walking into Fort Knox. Once escorted inside, every, and I mean every single employee was armed. Cash was everywhere. Tables with bills and coins being counted. Even the little lady sweeping the floors was wearing a gun on her hip. I, of course, was not allowed to carry in this building. But I don't know if I could have been safer than I was in that place. Heaven help anyone that would try to rob a business like that.

 

[MKva]

There's no criminal penalty for carrying in a place of business that doesn't like it, right? All they can do is ask you to leave. I've never seen a point in alerting them that I'm breaking their rule.

And of course if they did ask me to leave, I'd be leaving with the contents of my accounts. I doubt they'd push it.

 

[fxdc]

Grey man, but vigilant...

Damm Right!
About Time We All Came
OUTTA THE CLOSET!
The sheep dogs that keep others safe.

GREY PRIDE!
LMAO! !!!!!!

 

[etrain16]

Damm Right!
About Time We All Came
OUTTA THE CLOSET!
The sheep dogs that keep others safe.

GREY PRIDE!
LMAO! !!!!!!

Seems I become more the "grey" man every year....

Humor aside though, I was at my local Freddy's a couple years ago, carrying as I normally do, concealed, but not only under a shirt, but also a jacket, so definitely not printing in any way. The cashier and I were chatting and she up and says "you're a police officer, aren't you?" She definitely took me by surprise. I told her no, I wasn't, but asked her why she thought I would be an officer. She responded that I "carry myself like one".

Not sure exactly what she meant by that, but it still has me wondering to this day if I give anything away just in how I walk or act? I try to be as "grey" as possible, but maybe others see something I'm not aware of?

 

[ron]

When at Freddy's and the cashier asks you if you found everything alright?
I say no I was looking for a S & W. The reaction from the cashier
is priceless. I then explain that some Freddy's sell handguns.
Most of the cashiers had no idea.