The Day I’ll Join The NRA – An Open Letter To Ted Nugent

[bugeye]

Excellent, thanks for sharing that.. imagine if the Founders had been made of such cloth

You have the cloth flipped over, the founders were the progressives, the English and their many backers were the conservatives.

The NRA is already a thing of the past, with the recent supreme court rules regarding direct corporate participation in the elective process, most existing lobby's, especially those that get money from the public, are set to become the poor stepchildren of the influence pedaling family. They really have nothing to bargain with anyway, as the membership is 95%+ Republican party voters anyway. They just featured Beck and Palin as the speakers at the national convention, and paid these subhuman things with your money, sheesh.

NRA, Tea Party, Republican Party all the same thing. They will let you keep your guns as long as their corporate gods find it to their advantage, and not a second longer, until then you can count on them for the types of sound bites that assure them your votes.

Is it just me or is the RNC transplanting 'country' accents in all its far right candidates?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

You have the cloth flipped over, the founders were the progressives, the English and their many backers were the conservatives.

The NRA is already a thing of the past, with the recent supreme court rules regarding direct corporate participation in the elective process, most existing lobby's, especially those that get money from the public, are set to become the poor stepchildren of the influence pedaling family. They really have nothing to bargain with anyway, as the membership is 95%+ Republican party voters anyway. They just featured Beck and Palin as the speakers at the national convention, and paid these subhuman things with your money, sheesh.

NRA, Tea Party, Republican Party all the same thing. They will let you keep your guns as long as their corporate gods find it to their advantage, and not a second longer, until then you can count on them for the types of sound bites that assure them your votes.

Is it just me or is the RNC transplanting 'country' accents in all its far right candidates?

The Founders were nothing at all like what is called a "progressive" today, which today means socialist or communist

The Founders were true liberals of their day, another word that means something polar opposite, today

 

[el gringo loco]

The Founders were nothing at all like what is called a "progressive" today, which today means socialist or communist

The Founders were true liberals of their day, another word that means something polar opposite, today

Liberal might mean something different nowadays, but conservative is still a synonym for several dirty words.

I consider myself a liberal, but that word began to carry a bad connotation after years of Rush, Newt, and Rove bleating about it. I began to call myself a progressive and then Beck began to equate it to being communist or socialist or fascist--none of which I am and one of which is on the wrong end of the political spectrum. I am now a liberal again.

As to the topic of this thread, as a liberal, I am often annoyed with how the NRA often starts to blur its role as single issue advocates and morph into Republican mouthpieces. I disagree with the Republican party platform and conservative talking points about 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time usually involves guns. However, as said before in this thread, the NRA has power and I support them because of that.

I think that the GOA sounds great. A conservative litmus test might sound great to some. BUT...in practice, no-compromise positions will get you almost nowhere in politics. What people see as weakness in the NRA (occasionally compromising) is actually what gives the NRA so much power. Because they are willing to negotiate, the NRA will always have a seat at the bargaining table. Whereas GOA will only be able to complain about the results.

 

[Stomper]

They will let you keep your guns as long as their corporate gods find it to their advantage, and not a second longer, until then you can count on them for the types of sound bites that assure them your votes.

IF what you were saying wasn't so rediculous and hypocritical, and all things TRULY being equal... I'd rather kiss the "corporate ring" rather than the likes of Al Gore's ($9-million seaside mansion owning) arse... ANY DAY!

 

[bugeye]

The Founders were nothing at all like what is called a "progressive" today, which today means socialist or communist

The Founders were true liberals of their day, another word that means something polar opposite, today

No communists and very few socialists, the current liberals are in the middle, and seek a fair playing field not one that will keep making the rich richer until there is no middle class left at all. You righties just love your perceptions of the founders, yes they have to be just like you and if they were alive now they would think just like you do, what a joke.

Your polar opposite is only in your mind.

 

[bugeye]

IF what you were saying wasn't so rediculous and hypocritical, and all things TRULY being equal... I'd rather kiss the "corporate ring" rather than the likes of Al Gore's ($9-million seaside mansion owning) arse... ANY DAY!

Nothing I've said is either, and it also has nothing to do with Al Gore. Look,
just the investment banking industry has fed congress 500 million bucks in the last year to make sure they are allowed to continue to run their asylum without regulation. The entire NRA budget is only 200 million a year with congressional bribe money down to a paltry couple million bucks. Just the investment banking industry pays congress 250 times more than the NRA. That is my point in dollars and sense. The NRA is one of the largest and richest publically supported lobbies, but look at what tiny insects they are compared to the corporate giants. And the supreme courts 5 right wing activist judges has removed any political shackles from that giant. When it is ready to swat a fly it won't hesitate at all, and the yappers who have been telling you exactly what you want to hear will change their tune in a sell out microsecond.

Hope you really love that ring!

 

[Stomper]

Look,
just the investment banking industry has fed congress 500 million bucks in the last year to make sure they are allowed to continue to run their asylum without regulation.

ahem... and just WHICH party has been running congress for the VAST MAJORITY of the last 50 or so years? Certainly you won't claim the Republican party... you still think the "Liberal-Progressive" Democrat party is all about "fairness"? If you do, then you are as truly demented as some of the leftie-loonies we see on the nightly news... you know, while burning things down (that aren't their's to burn), assaulting people (verbally and physically) who disagree with their demands, BLATANTLY twisting issues into LIES to fit their weak-arsed logic... (BTW- Stuff you DON'T see happening at Tea Party rallies... much as you'd WISH that was happening) you know, stuff like that.

 

[Ramjet57]

You know, if all you people that bad mouth the NRA can truthfully say you are members of or support any gun rights org. WITH CASH or labor, then you have a right to point out the flaws with the NRA.
If you are one of the seventy five millon gun owners that just talks or does nothing then YOU are a large part of the problem. So quit bubbleguming and get to work to help all of us.
I get tired of seeing the family fighting going on, instead of a united front,we present an army in retreat to our enemies.

I'll get off the box now so you all can whip me next

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Liberal might mean something different nowadays, but conservative is still a synonym for several dirty words.

I consider myself a liberal, but that word began to carry a bad connotation after years of Rush, Newt, and Rove bleating about it. I began to call myself a progressive and then Beck began to equate it to being communist or socialist or fascist--none of which I am and one of which is on the wrong end of the political spectrum. I am now a liberal again.

As to the topic of this thread, as a liberal, I am often annoyed with how the NRA often starts to blur its role as single issue advocates and morph into Republican mouthpieces. I disagree with the Republican party platform and conservative talking points about 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time usually involves guns. However, as said before in this thread, the NRA has power and I support them because of that.

I think that the GOA sounds great. A conservative litmus test might sound great to some. BUT...in practice, no-compromise positions will get you almost nowhere in politics. What people see as weakness in the NRA (occasionally compromising) is actually what gives the NRA so much power. Because they are willing to negotiate, the NRA will always have a seat at the bargaining table. Whereas GOA will only be able to complain about the results.

To clarify my political position I am a paleo conservative, (in the mold of the Founders) not in any way a newt type neo con, who are chickenhawks and advocates for a foreign nation that has made numerous, cynical, murderous false flag attacks on us. The neo cons do not want to conserve anything American except some financial freedom so they can make $$$. I believe in the original Bill of Rights and personal liberty within the moral confines of traditional Western European values

 

[Blitzkrieg]

No communists and very few socialists, the current liberals are in the middle, and seek a fair playing field not one that will keep making the rich richer until there is no middle class left at all. You righties just love your perceptions of the founders, yes they have to be just like you and if they were alive now they would think just like you do, what a joke.

Your polar opposite is only in your mind.

The democrat party is now the communist party and the Republican party is the old Democratic party

 

[bugeye]

The democrat party is now the communist party and the Republican party is the old Democratic party

Now that is a troll of great device, lol.

 

[bugeye]

ahem... and just WHICH party has been running congress for the VAST MAJORITY of the last 50 or so years? Certainly you won't claim the Republican party... you still think the "Liberal-Progressive" Democrat party is all about "fairness"? If you do, then you are as truly demented as some of the leftie-loonies we see on the nightly news... you know, while burning things down (that aren't their's to burn), assaulting people (verbally and physically) who disagree with their demands, BLATANTLY twisting issues into LIES to fit their weak-arsed logic... (BTW- Stuff you DON'T see happening at Tea Party rallies... much as you'd WISH that was happening) you know, stuff like that.

I give you good numbers to show that change is coming big time brought to you by 5 Republican nominated supreme court justices that were chosen because they believe that justice is only the interests of the stronger party. I showed why the NRA, and any other public funded lobby, will be reduced to insignificance.

The anti Iraq war protests were non violent while turning out as many as 20 million people on 50 different dates in thousands of locations. I think your tea party has a long way to go both in participation and number of events before showing that level of peaceful protest. Also, unlike the tea parties, the war protestors have been shown by history to have been correct.

The dems have sold out, no argument, I figure that 85% of them are no longer representing their districts, and this would be terrible, but 100% of the repubs have sold out, so they are even more terrible.

 

[Atroxus]

Personally I avoided joining the NRA for years because I didn't agree with everything they suported. The same for other 2nd amendment groups. I did not support any because none meshed perfectly with my ideal of what a perfect 2nd amendment organization should do. Finally I realized that I was doing NOTHING to help the cause, so I did some research. I figure I am not going to find anything that I would consider a "perfect" 2nd amendment group unless I found it myself, so I started looking for the best compromise. NRA is far and away the most effective organization I have found. I still don't agree with everything they do, but I joined with the hope that maybe if I do, and if I can get enough like minded people to join as well we could CHANGE how the NRA works and make it even better. Some people may like other organizations better, and I don't have a problem with supporting other groups as long as you are supporting 2nd amendment rights in some form. I have yet to find anyone that could show another group being measurably more effective than the NRA though, so in my opinion choosing any other organization is inefficient use of resources. Sure it's better than nothing, but that's not saying much.

 

[longcolt]

The democrat party is now the communist party and the Republican party is the old Democratic party

Having been around for almost 70 years what you say is totally true.

I voted for Jack Kennedy and his party was indeed the Republican party of today. There is no question that the Democratic party in power today was the very thing that Joe McCarty fought so hard to eradicate back a long time ago. Joe would be shocked to see that the communist party is alive and well in the form of our current administration, supported by the SEIU unions and the other radicals.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Now that is a troll of great device, lol.

No, fact. I will admit I have razzed you, but I have also mostly stuck to facts. My comments there were absolute, demonstrable fact

 

[el gringo loco]

To clarify my political position I am a paleo conservative, (in the mold of the Founders) not in any way a newt type neo con, who are chickenhawks and advocates for a foreign nation that has made numerous, cynical, murderous false flag attacks on us. The meo cons do not want to conserve anything American except some financial freedom so they can make $$$. I believe in the original Bill of Rights and personal liberty within the moral confines of traditional Western European values

Now, with this statement, you seem like the kind of conservative that I could have a meaningful debate with. Although I disagree with your later statement that the Democrats are the communist party. They have not even reached a healthy dose of socialism yet.

I find that I agree with more Libertarian conservatives on a variety of issues. I am fairly liberal on social issues--which generally means I oppose legislating biblical morality (ie. Abortion, gay marriage, etc.). I begin to part ways with libertarian principles when the laissez faire is applied with abandon. I do think that government has a role in equalizing power and ensuring the weakest among us has a voice. Corporate regulation, safety standards, labor laws, etc. are, in my opinion, an appropriate use of government power.

I am not sure what the correct title is for my beliefs.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

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Having been around for almost 70 years what you say is totally true.

I voted for Jack Kennedy and his party was indeed the Republican party of today. There is no question that the Democratic party in power today was the very thing that Joe McCarty fought so hard to eradicate back a long time ago. Joe would be shocked to see that the communist party is alive and well in the form of our current administration, supported by the SEIU unions and the other radicals.

Right. Tailgunner Joe was a great man and a true patriot. That is why the left trashes his memory

 

[bugeye]

No, fact. I will admit I have razzed you, but I have also mostly stuck to facts. My comments there were absolute, demonstrable fact

Yeah sure, more trolling, lol.

OK, demonstrate that the Democratic party is communist?
Then observe, once again, as I smash your arguments to shards.
You see, it is hard to prove something false to be true, and much easier to prove something false to be false. This is why reason has value, and it is considered a really useful tool by non righties.

As to the current batch of Repubs, I really haven't figured them out but I know they all seem to agree with each other and they all mouth the approved party line assigned phrases, regardless of how painfully dopey they are. I guess I don't think much of them, either as thinkers or as people, they really are just sell outs. It seems reasonable to assume that the RNC is selecting its politicians to avoid any that have a concept of individual value or even the value of truth, in favor of the hive mind. I suspect to prove this willingness to accept the proclamations of the RNC as religious truth they must have to go though some debasing, but secret, private display of humiliation, probably involving doing all sorts of perverse things with vegetables while strutting around, wearing feathers, flapping their arms and clucking like chickens. I'm sure something like that has to be going on, sort of an initiation and test, so the party knows they have chosen the right self loathing company man for the role.

I heard some of these bozos this morning trying to blame the gov for the oil spill, yes all of sudden they are the voice for government regulation.

 

[Father of four]

so the party knows they have chosen the right self loathing company man for the role.

This is the same crap that happens during every election in say the past 50 or so years. The political role has moved from working for the will Of the People to doing the will of the Democratics and doing the will of the Republicans. We the people are left to do their will. They only want the "loathing company man/woman" in there so they can do their own will. Not ours. Both parties are past corruption. They all should be voted out and never voted in again. Even the ones that say "I have tried to help and do the right thing." Its time to clean house and stop letting the Democratics and Republicans ruin this country!

I think the NRA and Ted Nugent might agree to that.

 

[lucky guy]

The Founders were nothing at all like what is called a "progressive" today, which today means socialist or communist

Yeah, just like conservative means racist and facist.

Ice with your kool-aid? Progressive might mean that in your mind but if so it might be because you listen to rant radio too much. Time to start thinking for yourselves folks, not what some lying, prescription forging/drug addict/felon tells you to think. And Glen Beck as a keynote convention speaker? You gotta be kidding! What does that idiot have to offer any of us on 2d amendment issues?

I'll join the NRA when it becomes something other than a self-perpetuating money-raising operation.

As far as the founders, I think they'd be very sad to see the level of political discourse we have now.